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How would you feel about this?

Imagine the following:

A British national, working for the UK government from, lets say a UK embassy or consulate or base of some kind (so it is classed as UK soil) has a wife. His wife is also a British national who, for argument's sakes, lives at the embassy/consulate/base. She doesn't work there though. She is there looking after the family's two young children, full time.

One day the wife of the embassy/consulate/base worker leaves the e/c/b in her UK right hand drive car, a reasonably new Volvo V70. A nice, safe car, a car perfect for her and her two children who may or may not be in the car, I don't know, lets say they aren't. She drives her Volvo V70 fine. She is considerate and careful. She isn't speeding. She isn't under the influence of alcohol or drugs and she isn't using a mobile phone. Its a two lane country road with a 60mph speed limit. She is approaching a left hand bend in the road, screened by bushes, trees and high hedgerow along its border. All good so far. Just a nice lady, a mother and a wife, meaning no harm, going about her business.

In her right hand drive car. In a left hand drive country.

At that very moment that morning, approaching the same corner from the other direction, is a 19 year old local lad, on his motorcycle. He is a smart, respectful, hard working American kid, known and universally liked in his community. He is a keen motorcyclist and has racked up 50,000 miles since he became a motorcyclist at 17. He is riding an Aprilia and he is dressed appropriately and is observing the speed limit. He takes pride in his riding, unusual at such a young age (fuck knows, all I wanted to do was go balls out fast everywhere at that age).

They are set to pass by each other in the turn.

But they don't.

Because nice decent respectable lady hasn't realised that she is driving her right hand drive car on the wrong side of the American road and has been since she left the e/c/b 400 yards back.

The nice lady hits the young, keen motorcyclist head on at a closing speed of about 100mph and he is dies very shortly after at the scene. The lady driving the car is relatively injured, suffering only bruising from seatbelt and SRS systems..

The police arrive. The lady states she has diplomatic immunity but is keen to assist the police with their investigation. The police ask her not to leave the country. She insists that she won't and will do all she can to help the investigation.

Two days later she leaves the country on a British flight from the embassy/consulate/base along with her husband and two children and they travel back to England. The respectful young American motorcyclist's family are devastated at losing their son but this seems to be a very bitter pill to swallow on top of what has already transpired.

The British lady and her husband both claim diplomatic immunity and the British government pretty much refuse to return the lady to the USA for further questioning and possible prosecution, stating that they would look into it but very rarely does the government hand over their citizens who have diplomatic immunity.

However, it turns out that the husband does NOT have diplomatic immunity in his position, working for the UK government as he did, in Intelligence. Basically he is a spy, though not a spy sent by the British to spy on the USA, more a spy working out of the USA on behalf of the British government. The lady has zero diplomatic immunity too, despite what she told American police at the scene and in interview.

How should things proceed, or should they proceed at all?


Your thoughts, friends...
 
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Well for starters.. bad driver for not adapting ( lack of training) to the countries driving rules..

Secondly, hiding behind that blanket of immunity...thats abuse of power..

Probably a cunt thinks she's too good for driving lessons in any country and has been living it way too big under that immunity shit going from an embassy to another in taxes payer's money..
 
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sounds like she thinks shes too pretty for jail... offer her to ISIS??
 
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It needs to be handled covertly since the players were in fact there to operate under such conditions.

Monies and apologies exchanged with the well thought of lad's parents/family being compensated for their loss.

She'll have to live with the fact that she took the life of an innocent young man due to her own stupidity.

Or, all dignitaries get ejected and war declared until the woman is surrendered, captured or killed.

It's a tough one.

A drunk bitch hit and killed my best friend in 81' and then left the scene.
She was caught and got a sentence of 8 years.
It was her second vehicular homicide while drunk.
I wanted her dead or in jail for life.

Not the same but, similarly due to negligence.
How many free fuckups do we get in life?
 
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The only way she's likely going back to the UK is if Trump sends her back- the fact she left at all means she has no intention of facing justice. The UK government might hold a trial in absentia, but that may lead to nothing but a moral victory.

I saw an interview with the family yesterday- they're devastated (who wouldn't be?)
 
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Unless diplomatic status is waived there is no recourse via the justice system.

It sucks
 
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The entire situation sucks.

Some situations suck every day.

Q.) What difference do the nationalities make in this hypothetical equation, unless that dovetails into some other agenda... i.e., do you actually give a fuck about the American motorcyclist or is this another in your continuing series of grievances about the US and Trump?

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The entire situation sucks.

Some situations suck every day.

Q.) What difference do the nationalities make in this hypothetical equation, unless that dovetails into some other agenda... i.e., do you actually give a fuck about the American motorcyclist or is this another in your continuing series of grievances about the US and Trump?

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I don't have any grievances about the USA or the POTUS...
 
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Fire the British police officers that did not verify with the state department that Diplomatic Immunity.. car/person would have had to have state paper work stating such.
 
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Why not provide the actual facts of the case instead of twisting it into fictional bullshit?
I'm not a fan of diplomatic immunity for anyone. Period.
for the very simple reason that I wanted to avoid the the usual 'fuck you, who gives a shit, Limey' kind of idiocy. Apart from the nationalities switched, it is all factual, not fictionalised...
 
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for the very simple reason that I wanted to avoid the the usual 'fuck you, who gives a shit, Limey' kind of idiocy. Apart from the nationalities switched, it is all factual, not fictionalised...
It's insulting that you don't believe we are capable of grappling with the actual facts and self-contradictory to ask our opinions since you hold that belief. Also, fuck you, who gives a shit, Limey :fu:
 
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for the very simple reason that I wanted to avoid the the usual 'fuck you, who gives a shit, Limey' kind of idiocy. Apart from the nationalities switched, it is all factual, not fictionalised...
has anyone really called you limey outside of a jolly ribbing, Mr Cunt????
 
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for the very simple reason that I wanted to avoid the the usual 'fuck you, who gives a shit, Limey' kind of idiocy. Apart from the nationalities switched, it is all factual, not fictionalised...
That diplocrap happens here all the tine.. they win you lose.. IF she Had diplomatic immunity.. if not I see no reason they could not summon her..
 
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I worked in a certain Caribbean former British colony for a few years. Flew home for vacation once (that sounds weird when I think about the wording), jumped into wifey's car one morning and it was about 100ft before I realized I was driving on the wrong side of the road. This was a residential street and there were no other cars in sight. If there was traffic, it never would've happened because other cars create a normalcy reference.

Today I drive a right-drive car on right-side roads. It's been perfectly natural :smile2:


I see diplomatic immunity as one of those necessary evils. Without it, nations at odds with each other would be setting up/framing each other's people.
 
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How can you compensate that family for their loss? You can't, unless you can bring him back from the dead. The circumstances are immaterial, diplomatic anything means fuck all to that family. She needs to be held accountable, period.
 
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ANY monetary offer would be insulting. Your son is worth this much. What if it was your child?
 
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I believe 7 million is the going rate for a human life.

Can't remember where I saw that.
 
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I believe 7 million is the going rate for a human life.

Can't remember where I saw that.
not if it was one of my kids. And it would take a helluva lot more than a pound of flesh, even though it's not bringing anyone back.
 
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A drug to grow titties? Wouldn't women everywhere be buying it?
 
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for the very simple reason that I wanted to avoid the the usual 'fuck you, who gives a shit, Limey' kind of idiocy. Apart from the nationalities switched, it is all factual, not fictionalised...
Go suck a potato, you Scottish twat.
 
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The only way she's likely going back to the UK is if Trump sends her back- the fact she left at all means she has no intention of facing justice. The UK government might hold a trial in absentia, but that may lead to nothing but a moral victory.

I saw an interview with the family yesterday- they're devastated (who wouldn't be?)
I think she's already back in the UK??? The accident happened here and she and her family bolted for home shortly after. Or was I reading Lucky's post incorrectly?
 
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people donate their bodies to science...
people prostitute their bodies for income...

value isnt by the lb...lol otherwise Wretch Wretch would be a trillionaire! !! :fu:
 
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I'd call you a giant pillock but I don't know what that is so, I'll just call you a prick! :finger:
 

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If they got diplomatic immunity, they got immunity. Period. Sucks, but that's the law.

If they don't have diplomatic immunity, they should face whatever investigation this would otherwise normally call for.

100% open for civil suit and the government should not step in to block that.
 

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Did you get the responses you expected, Lucky?

Are we still worthy of your gracious presence?
 

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It's a sad situation, but that's how it works. Diplomatic immunity is a touchy thing. It is not in the United States best interest to waive immunity and allow a British prosecution. Simple as that. It wouldn't be in the UK's interests either, if the situation were reversed. Every time an egregious example comes up, there is outrage, but it's a necessary evil. These same treaties that allow this woman to not get charged by the UK also allow diplomatic females to not get arrested by religious police in Saudi Arabia for not having a male escort, or whatever.

There is precedent for US to charge her, though, and have her serve time over here. A Romanian diplomat ran over and killed some people in Singapore in 2009, and was tried and jailed by Romania after being recalled.

I don't believe anyone was ever held accountable for the straight-up murder of that London Constable in the 80's.
 

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How would you feel about this?

Imagine the following:

A British national, working for the UK government from, lets say a UK embassy or consulate or base of some kind (so it is classed as UK soil) has a wife. His wife is also a British national who, for argument's sakes, lives at the embassy/consulate/base. She doesn't work there though. She is there looking after the family's two young children, full time.

One day the wife of the embassy/consulate/base worker leaves the e/c/b in her UK right hand drive car, a reasonably new Volvo V70. A nice, safe car, a car perfect for her and her two children who may or may not be in the car, I don't know, lets say they aren't. She drives her Volvo V70 fine. She is considerate and careful. She isn't speeding. She isn't under the influence of alcohol or drugs and she isn't using a mobile phone. Its a two lane country road with a 60mph speed limit. She is approaching a left hand bend in the road, screened by bushes, trees and high hedgerow along its border. All good so far. Just a nice lady, a mother and a wife, meaning no harm, going about her business.

In her right hand drive car. In a left hand drive country.

At that very moment that morning, approaching the same corner from the other direction, is a 19 year old local lad, on his motorcycle. He is a smart, respectful, hard working American kid, known and universally liked in his community. He is a keen motorcyclist and has racked up 50,000 miles since he became a motorcyclist at 17. He is riding an Aprilia and he is dressed appropriately and is observing the speed limit. He takes pride in his riding, unusual at such a young age (fuck knows, all I wanted to do was go balls out fast everywhere at that age).

They are set to pass by each other in the turn.

But they don't.

Because nice decent respectable lady hasn't realised that she is driving her right hand drive car on the wrong side of the American road and has been since she left the e/c/b 400 yards back.

The nice lady hits the young, keen motorcyclist head on at a closing speed of about 100mph and he is dies very shortly after at the scene. The lady driving the car is relatively injured, suffering only bruising from seatbelt and SRS systems..

The police arrive. The lady states she has diplomatic immunity but is keen to assist the police with their investigation. The police ask her not to leave the country. She insists that she won't and will do all she can to help the investigation.

Two days later she leaves the country on a British flight from the embassy/consulate/base along with her husband and two children and they travel back to England. The respectful young American motorcyclist's family are devastated at losing their son but this seems to be a very bitter pill to swallow on top of what has already transpired.

The British lady and her husband both claim diplomatic immunity and the British government pretty much refuse to return the lady to the USA for further questioning and possible prosecution, stating that they would look into it but very rarely does the government hand over their citizens who have diplomatic immunity.

However, it turns out that the husband does NOT have diplomatic immunity in his position, working for the UK government as he did, in Intelligence. Basically he is a spy, though not a spy sent by the British to spy on the USA, more a spy working out of the USA on behalf of the British government. The lady has zero diplomatic immunity too, despite what she told American police at the scene and in interview.

How should things proceed, or should they proceed at all?


Your thoughts, friends...
I’d say have her charged in a hit and run..Revoke her diplomatic immunity and ship her ignorant ass back to Old Blighty for processing..But that’s just my.02.
 
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