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OK, now, place your bets- I just had my T-level checked (walked into a local lab with no appointment, out in 5 minutes, ~$15- results are back tomorrow). I know my preparation is a bit 'placing the cart before the horse', but I'm sure I'm going to come up below optimum.

53yo, no drinking or smoking, in the gym lifting weights 6x per week for years with decent strength and muscle-mass, but my energy levels have been down and recovery from workouts has been more difficult the last few months- what's my level gonna be?
I agree with WP. 250 or less.
 
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Advice would be much appreciated from anyone who's already on TRT.
I started here... National Testosterone Replacement Therapy Clinics | Ageless Men's Health and they were great BUT expensive. I went on an internet quest to learn to do it myself. From what I've learned the best dose for us 50+ guys is .5ml (of the 200 strength) twice a week. That supposedly keeps the highs and lows at bay. I don't like needles so I shoot about 1ml, once a week instead. I do not feel highs or lows doing this.

Shooting once every 2 weeks seems like it would be very tough on your body. You'd feel good for 4 or 5 days and then "not so good" for 8 or 9 days until you shoot again and then you feel good for another 4 or 5 days and so on. I'd shoot at least once a week and twice a week at 1/2 the dose if you're not afraid of needles. I'm quite sure T does not last for 2 weeks in your system.

I think other guys here know way more about this than I do. Hopefully, they'll speak up.
 
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I'm not going to start on 200ml [edit- I meant mg] per week unless my results (which I'll have later today) are really low. I'm able to work out effectively 6x per week now (always early in the morning- I almost never miss a day- maybe once every 3 months- this is kind of dumb at my age as my body needs more recovery time, but it's a mental thing for me), but it's starting to leave me feeling more fatigued over the course of the day, so I don't think I'll need a dose on the high side of the TRT scale (my assumption is that the years of constant muscular stress is helpful to natural T production), but I could be wrong about that. I'm mainly interested in improved recovery and energy levels.
 
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I'm not going to start on 200ml per week unless my results (which I'll have later today) are really low. I'm able to work out effectively 6x per week now (always early in the morning- I almost never miss a day- maybe once every 3 months- this is kind of dumb at my age as my body needs more recovery time, but it's a mental thing for me), but it's starting to leave me feeling more fatigued over the course of the day, so I don't think I'll need a dose on the high side of the TRT scale (my assumption is that the years of constant muscular stress is helpful to natural T production), but I could be wrong about that. I'm mainly interested in improved recovery and energy levels.
You're getting the numbers & letters mixed up. the ML is the size of the shot. The MG/ML is the potency per shot. At most, I bet the doc will have you shoot 1ML per week of 200MG/ML testosterone.
 
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You're getting the numbers & letters mixed up. the ML is the size of the shot. The MG/ML is the potency per shot. At most, I bet the doc will have you shoot 1ML per week of 200MG/ML testosterone.
Yeah, I'm messing that up mostly due to the way you're using '.5ml of the 200 strength', though I do understand the dosage- the easiest way to make sure we're on the same page is to use mg of T per shot (which for you is 100mg), which doesn't vary, unlike the concentration of T per ml, which does vary between compounds (and were obviously not going to use the same one). I can only get the Bayer 250mg/ml in 1ml vials- I realize you're using a 200mg/ml compound, so let's not use 'ml' amounts and stick to 'mg', because your 0.5ml ain't the same as my 0.5ml..:wink2:

I have a lab for bloodwork, but I have no doctor guiding me as there isn't one for TRT local to me, which is why I'm looking for info on this thread (I'm sure if I were transitioning to female and taking estrogen I'd be all set with a doc, though:lol:). I'm going with 125mg per week initially, starting with one shot and possibly breaking it up into 2 shots per week, and then getting tested again every 6 weeks or so.
 
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The ML is the amount of the injection. The MG per ML (MG/ML) is the potency of the testosterone. Blackmarket stuff in 3rd world countries may be labelled & dispensed differently. I go to a doctor and get prescribed this...
Yes, I'm aware of the different potencies, as I noted in my post above- mine will be 250mg/ml, while yours is 200mg/ml, which is why using mg (per shot or per week) is more helpful than ml as a basis for comparison. My plan is to inject 125mg T per week, starting with one shot per week, and then possibly splitting it into two smaller injections. I'll get tested again in 6 weeks or so to see where I'm at, and make adjustments if necessary. I'm very interested to hear any advice you have, but I may go a bit lighter on initial dosages than you recommend.

My '3rd-world black market stuff' comes direct from Bayer and is manufactured in Germany, is used in most of the world (though it's less common in the US), and is dispensed from a pharmacy (run by a Thai guy who got his degree in the US) attached to an internationally-accredited hospital- testosterone supplements (as well as various steroids, and stuff like cholesterol drugs, BP meds, and boner pills that are prescription-only in the US) are available OTC here.

There are pro bodybuilders who spend their off-season in Thailand (usually in Pattaya, where the pharmacies are very steroid-friendly) because they can get the real stuff (as opposed to the US, where there's a lot of fake stuff floating around) cheaply and easily without worrying about getting busted, as well as amateurs who might spend a few months living here and working out just for easy access to anabolics. The '3rd World' gets pretty much the same drugs as the '1st World', with the main differences being we jungle-dwellers have lower prices and better/easier availability.:wink2:

I'm going to use T enanthate as opposed to your T cypionate. Mine comes in sealed glass ampoules of 1ml each- I'm getting 10 ampoules (2500mg T total) for ~$80- there's another cheaper European brand that's has been out of stock for a couple months, but my pharmacist said should come available in a month or two- 20 ampoules at the same potency (5000mg T total) for ~$100.

What's the cost in the US without insurance?


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OK- just got my results back- I knew the sub-300 guesses were going to be wrong- my muscles are constantly under stress from the gym, which enhances T production, but I'm still getting older (53) and feeling more fatigued after a workout- I'm going to see how I feel at a slightly higher level (600-ish range).

Not super-low, but not on the high-end either:

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I’m not sure if you guys saw where I posted about 2 cross fit legends. They both had T of around 400. Both started 16/8 fasting and within 4-6 weeks they were in the 700s
 
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Got my t tested a few years ago as I had all the symptoms but was still strong and muscular. However I had started gaining weight and my strength, while still significant, was deteriorating. T levels we’re under 150. I take 200 ml a week but fluctuate lower sometimes because - we’ll just bc. My strength has returned and so had my energy and metabolism l. On the t my levels are 500ish (+\- 50) which is where I should be.
 

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Fuck.
It's been almost two years since I asked for a Hydrocodon refill and I only have two left I think.
I need that (occasionally) because it's the only thing that helps my upper-mid back burning when that flames up.
He gave me a ton of crap that last time I asked for some.
All those hydro adicts are making it difficult for those of us who don't abuse it.

IDK if I should ask for this or that or BOTH.
Ya'll are making sound like asking for Testosterone shots is almost as frowned on as asking for Hydrocodone refill.
Get your neck checked.
Upper mid back was where my first issues with back pain started.
It's likely a referred pain.
C4-5 disc area.
Find out before you fuck yourself on the Hydrocodones.
 
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I've got a long history with my back. Other than the obvious part where it's part of me. :lol:
Just found out this week that our Health Insurance is finally bumping us from 10 chiro visits a year to 25 a year. :fu:

I was on the hydro for unrelated reasons years ago and had a free pass to as much as I wanted. I weaned myself off and eventually gave up the free pass (arghh).
But during that time, I learned it was a miracle for my mid-back burning. That and multiple deep-tissue massage sessions. :up:

The deep tissue massages resolve the issues for a nice long while.
While the Hydro was a great emergency pill if I suddenly got that burning in my back.
 
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How so? I've only used the cypionate.
When I was getting shot up at the mens health place they put a 50/50 cypionate and enanthate shot into me. They said the cyp lasts longer and the enanthate is faster acting. Ever since I've only done cypionate myself. I don't think docs ever prescribe the other?
 
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Got my t tested a few years ago as I had all the symptoms but was still strong and muscular. However I had started gaining weight and my strength, while still significant, was deteriorating. T levels we’re under 150. I take 200 ml a week but fluctuate lower sometimes because - we’ll just bc. My strength has returned and so had my energy and metabolism l. On the t my levels are 500ish (+\- 50) which is where I should be.
200ml/week (of the 200mg strength?)? You get your blood checked regularly? I can only imagine that it's thick. Be careful with that. You look great for an old dude! ;) Just don't wanna have a stroke with thick blood.

Heres my recent lab result notes...
08/05/2019 Testosterone is slightly elevated, .5cc is the better dose. Estradiol is too high. Blood is thick and need phlebotomy. Other labs are good.

Testosterone, Serum 1070 ng/dL (H) 264-916 normal range
Estradiol 69.9 pg/mL (H) 7.6-42.6 normal range
Hemoglobin 18.9 g/dL (H) 13.0-17.7 normal range
Hematocrit 55.2 % (H) 37.5-51.0 normal range
 
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Donny ... donate blood to thin it out.
Hell no. Hate needles! When it gets thick I stop injecting T and take 25mg of clomiphene for a few weeks. This "off time" allows me to conserve T & eventually continue shooting 1ml weekly even though my script is for .5ml.
 
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How much are you guys paying for T? Meds are generally cheaper here, but not always- just curious
 
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200ml/week (of the 200mg strength?)? You get your blood checked regularly? I can only imagine that it's thick. Be careful with that.
Hemoglobin 18.9 g/dL (H) 13.0-17.7 normal range
Hematocrit 55.2 % (H) 37.5-51.0 normal range
Those numbers are HIGH. DONATE Blood. I have never been over 16.5 hemoglobin and when I am that high I can tell it and its visually seen in my blood color. I donated last week or so and it was 15.8 which is still too high for me. I prefer it in the 14.5-15.5 range but that means extra donations. You better get those down. I even feel better after I donate.
 
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How much are you guys paying for T? Meds are generally cheaper here, but not always- just curious
Test Propionate 100mg/ml, 10ml - $50
Test Suspension 100mg/ml, 10ml - $55
Test Enanthate 250mg/ml, 10ml - $60
Test Cypionate 250mg/ml, 10ml - $60 Sustanon 250mg/ml, 10ml - $65
Test 400 400mg/ml, 10ml - $75
Equipoise 300mg/ml, 10 ml - $70
Deca-Durabolin 300mg/ml, 10ml - $75
NPP 150mg/ml, 10ml - $50
Masteron Propionate 150mg/ml, 10ml - $75 Masteron Enathate 200mg/ml, 10ml - $90 Primobolan Enanthate 100mg/ml, 10ml - $90 Tren Acetate 100mg/ml, 10ml - $75
Tren Enathate 200mg/ml, 10ml - $90 TNT (Test E 250, Tren E 150) 400mg/ml, 10ml - $100 TM (Tren Ace 100, Mast Prop 100) 200mg/ml, 10ml - $90 Contains

EO ORALS (PRESSED TABLETS)
Anadrol 25mgs x 100 tabs - $80
Anavar 20mgs x 60 tabs - $80
Dianabol 20mgs x 60 tabs - $65
Halotestin 10mgs x 50 tabs - $90
Superdrol 15mgs x 60 tabs - $80
Turinabol 20mgs x 60 tabs - $75
Winstrol 25mgs x 60 tabs - $65
Proviron 25mgs x 50 tabs - $80

SERMS & AI Arimidex 1mg x 50 tabs - $55 Aromasin 12.5mgs x 50 tabs - $55
Clomid 25mgs x 100 tabs - $55
Letrozole 2.5mgs x 50 tabs - $55
Nolvadex 20mgs x 50 tabs - $55
Pramipexole 0.5mgs x 50 tabs - $55 Raloxifene 25mgs x 60 tabs - $60
HCG 5000iu x 1 vial - $85

SARMS, FATLOSS & SEXCEUTICALS
Nutrobol (MK677) 15mgs x 60 tabs - $120
Cardarine (GW501516) 20mgs x 50 tabs - $90 Ostarine (MK2866) 20mgs x 60 tabs - $90 Clenbuterol 100mcgs x 50 tabs - $60
Cytomel (T3) 100mcgs x 50 tabs - $60
Cialis 20mgs x 50 tabs - $55
Viagra 50mgs x 50 tabs - $55
 
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How much are you guys paying for T? Meds are generally cheaper here, but not always- just curious
I pay about $80 for a 10cc vial of the 200 grade cypionate. I do a little less than 1cc / week so the bux 80 gets me about 12-13 weeks worth. Pretty cheap. Pharmacist includes all syringes too as he's a freind. I pay him directly as my insurance co-pay for the T is actually more than he can just sell it to me directly for. It's still done 100% legally. I just don't run it through my insurance.
 
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Test Propionate 100mg/ml, 10ml - $50
Test Suspension 100mg/ml, 10ml - $55
Test Enanthate 250mg/ml, 10ml - $60
Test Cypionate 250mg/ml, 10ml - $60 Sustanon 250mg/ml, 10ml - $65
Test 400 400mg/ml, 10ml - $75
Equipoise 300mg/ml, 10 ml - $70
Deca-Durabolin 300mg/ml, 10ml - $75
NPP 150mg/ml, 10ml - $50
Masteron Propionate 150mg/ml, 10ml - $75 Masteron Enathate 200mg/ml, 10ml - $90 Primobolan Enanthate 100mg/ml, 10ml - $90 Tren Acetate 100mg/ml, 10ml - $75
Tren Enathate 200mg/ml, 10ml - $90 TNT (Test E 250, Tren E 150) 400mg/ml, 10ml - $100 TM (Tren Ace 100, Mast Prop 100) 200mg/ml, 10ml - $90 Contains

EO ORALS (PRESSED TABLETS)
Anadrol 25mgs x 100 tabs - $80
Anavar 20mgs x 60 tabs - $80
Dianabol 20mgs x 60 tabs - $65
Halotestin 10mgs x 50 tabs - $90
Superdrol 15mgs x 60 tabs - $80
Turinabol 20mgs x 60 tabs - $75
Winstrol 25mgs x 60 tabs - $65
Proviron 25mgs x 50 tabs - $80

SERMS & AI Arimidex 1mg x 50 tabs - $55 Aromasin 12.5mgs x 50 tabs - $55
Clomid 25mgs x 100 tabs - $55
Letrozole 2.5mgs x 50 tabs - $55
Nolvadex 20mgs x 50 tabs - $55
Pramipexole 0.5mgs x 50 tabs - $55 Raloxifene 25mgs x 60 tabs - $60
HCG 5000iu x 1 vial - $85

SARMS, FATLOSS & SEXCEUTICALS
Nutrobol (MK677) 15mgs x 60 tabs - $120
Cardarine (GW501516) 20mgs x 50 tabs - $90 Ostarine (MK2866) 20mgs x 60 tabs - $90 Clenbuterol 100mcgs x 50 tabs - $60
Cytomel (T3) 100mcgs x 50 tabs - $60
Cialis 20mgs x 50 tabs - $55
Viagra 50mgs x 50 tabs - $55
Holy frickin shit..... do you deliver 😳
 
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My pricing is currently between Warren's (though the price for oral steroids is lower here- I know D-Bol is about half that locally- I've seen 500-count bottles of the 20mg pills really cheap- some guys take them by the handful) and Gregg's (I'm paying -$80 for 2500mg T)- if the other European brand that's sold here become available again (which it's supposed to) I'll be at ~$100 for 5000mg T- Bayer is the only brand currently available and it's on the expensive side (so I've been told, anyway- I don't have any actual experience in the market yet).

I'm probably going to start on the 30th of this month- I'll be keeping a journal from the beginning with any changes or impressions which I'll share here for anyone who's also interested.
 
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200ml/week (of the 200mg strength?)? You get your blood checked regularly? I can only imagine that it's thick. Be careful with that. You look great for an old dude! ;) Just don't wanna have a stroke with thick blood.

Heres my recent lab result notes...
08/05/2019 Testosterone is slightly elevated, .5cc is the better dose. Estradiol is too high. Blood is thick and need phlebotomy. Other labs are good.

Testosterone, Serum 1070 ng/dL (H) 264-916 normal range
Estradiol 69.9 pg/mL (H) 7.6-42.6 normal range
Hemoglobin 18.9 g/dL (H) 13.0-17.7 normal range
Hematocrit 55.2 % (H) 37.5-51.0 normal range
Thanks man. I do get tested fairly regularly. At least every three months in the lab costs are $2000. My tests are all normal. Remember I am naturally under 150 (thanks Dad) and they say I have the average T of a guy over 90. So while it’s a high dose, I’m actually the guy with an issue. I will get my hemoglobins and hematocrit checked again soon.
 
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Btw where do you get the clomiphene? I’d like to go off the t for 6 weeks every quarter just to let my body rest from it.
 
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Thanks. I don’t see him for another 2-3 months so I will ask then. I saw there could be places to buy it online? You take this when off the T right? I’m on the cypionate stuff. Even though my script is for 200 a week, I often wait to shoot every 10-14 days or shoot .75 of the vial. I’m just nervous to overuse - ain’t worth it to me.

On a side note, if I stay healthy I may try bodybuilding next year. I’ve got the size mostly just gotta nail the diet. Powerlifting is a no go for my body type. Bench maxes at 405 squats at a hair over 500 and deads mid 500s. Sounds impressive until you hear that I’m 6’5 and 265 lbs. Then...not so much. Lol.
 
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When I was getting shot up at the mens health place they put a 50/50 cypionate and enanthate shot into me. They said the cyp lasts longer and the enanthate is faster acting. Ever since I've only done cypionate myself. I don't think docs ever prescribe the other?
Mine is black market...

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I dont want to harsh the buzz here as this is great info. There is a member here , sorry my memory is shit , he had the hotel that had the fire. He went on T and his build went from pasty and bad to quite incredible. but... didnt something shitty happen soon after , could totally be unrelated.
 
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Rama had a bad go, but test may have only been a contributing factor.
There is a need to titrate up your dose...going from 0 to 100 is a surefire way to get into problems.
I don't know if that was his issue or not, just speaking in general terms
 
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^ That's old school thought, from the 80's ... no need to ramp up or down, just start with whatever dose you're doing. Your body produces test, it's one thing that you're not going to get into trouble with, as long as you use common sense.
 
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Have you seen my levels?
Im devoid of common sense


I'm titrating, 80's thinking or not
 
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Booked my blood test. As usual it’s 2 weeks out. I except a battle with my dr. I think it’s worse here as you can’t just go and pay fir tests if you want them. I’ll have to play up the whole mental thing as I don’t look like I’m low. 511 205.
 
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I'm having my wife do some online chatting with various clinics/pharmacies as the ones that deal with mainly Thais tend to have lower prices than ones that have more business from foreigners- she found some great deals at places that are frequented by the LGBT community- 25% cheaper as they stock hormones in bulk and get better rates from distributors.:lol:

So far the best price is less than $6 per 1ml/250mg for T enanthate. T cypionate is priced about the same per ml, but, as it's 200mg concentration, the enanthate is a better deal (though I might try the cypionate one day to see if I notice any difference). T propionate is super-cheap (about half the price), but it's not as highly recommended as the other two due to it having a shorter half-life requiring more frequent injections (at least as far as I've read- anyone have experience with it? The price isn't an issue, but if there's labs insider info, I want to hear about it).
 
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The day someone shows me conclusive proof that sub Q has 20% more efficient conversion to free testosterone than IM I’ll change and never look back.
This sure ain't 'conclusive proof', but that's what this doc is claiming- could be a complete load of crap, of course, but studies have shown that, at a minimum, there are no drawbacks to subcutaneous injections of testosterone as opposed to IM.

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Cant wait to see u guys shooting SC 1 ml of test and 1 ml of b12

U ll be walking around w big lumps in ur stomacha
 
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Are you guys all gay, or just insane? All this talk of feelings and moods, no wonder you guys can't get laid.

Most women aren't lesbians.
 
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I'm having my wife do some online chatting with various clinics/pharmacies as the ones that deal with mainly Thais tend to have lower prices than ones that have more business from foreigners- she found some great deals at places that are frequented by the LGBT community- 25% cheaper as they stock hormones in bulk and get better rates from distributors.:lol:

So far the best price is less than $6 per 1ml/250mg for T enanthate. T cypionate is priced about the same per ml, but, as it's 200mg concentration, the enanthate is a better deal (though I might try the cypionate one day to see if I notice any difference). T propionate is super-cheap (about half the price), but it's not as highly recommended as the other two due to it having a shorter half-life requiring more frequent injections (at least as far as I've read- anyone have experience with it? The price isn't an issue, but if there's labs insider info, I want to hear about it).

That's just over what I pay ( $55 per 10ml/250) shipped from inside the US. Prop is used for immediate results, on cycle it's shot every day, its not for your purposes. Stick with E or cyp, they're almost the same, sustanon has more esters .. so less test.
 
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Cant wait to see u guys shooting SC 1 ml of test and 1 ml of b12

U ll be walking around w big lumps in ur stomacha
Had a bro who went to sub Q 2 months ago and I just asked him if he was liking it....he said exactly that, big lumps that lasted for days and he went back to IM
 
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I'm having my wife do some online chatting with various clinics/pharmacies as the ones that deal with mainly Thais tend to have lower prices than ones that have more business from foreigners- she found some great deals at places that are frequented by the LGBT community- 25% cheaper as they stock hormones in bulk and get better rates from distributors.:lol:

So far the best price is less than $6 per 1ml/250mg for T enanthate. T cypionate is priced about the same per ml, but, as it's 200mg concentration, the enanthate is a better deal (though I might try the cypionate one day to see if I notice any difference). T propionate is super-cheap (about half the price), but it's not as highly recommended as the other two due to it having a shorter half-life requiring more frequent injections (at least as far as I've read- anyone have experience with it? The price isn't an issue, but if there's labs insider info, I want to hear about it).
That's not much cheaper than real script meds from the pharmacy here in the states. Who do you buy it from and how do you know what you're getting is legit? You're gonna be shooting this stuff into your body. Things are so easily faked these days... from golf clubs to handbags. I'm sure T is faked too.
 
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Cant wait to see u guys shooting SC 1 ml of test and 1 ml of b12

U ll be walking around w big lumps in ur stomacha
The ONLY time I ever got a lump from shooting 1ml was when I got a bit too low on my glute. It went away after a day or 2 but it wasn't fun.

Last week I shot 1ml with a 25 needle subcutaneously (for the 1st time ever) in my stomach fold and found it to be easier, no pain and no lumps. I've never heard of shooting b12. :O
 
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That's not much cheaper than real script meds from the pharmacy here in the states. Who do you buy it from and how do you know what you're getting is legit? You're gonna be shooting this stuff into your body. Things are so easily faked these days... from golf clubs to handbags. I'm sure T is faked too.
I've already told you this is direct from Bayer, manufactured in Germany- we get the same stuff you do- the only difference is that it's sold OTC and doesn't require a prescription. It can only be ordered from the manufacturer and sold to the public by someone with a degree in pharmacology. I think my pharmacist friend (who's Thai) who has a graduate degree from Rutgers University, as does his dad and brother, and from where his pharmacist mom has a PhD and is a researcher, who own one of the oldest family pharmacies in the city know what they're taking about, and I get my info from them. They don't have what I want in stock, and won't be able to get it until Bayer's next shipment to Thailand (in January), so I have to go to a pharmacy that has it on-hand.

Over here we don't have to jump through the same hoops you had to jump through. People come to Thailand from all over the world for medical procedures and therapy, and 'fake drugs' aren't a big issue if it's a legal product- I know you think we're throwing coconuts at each other, but I'll bet my pharmacist can beat up your pharmacist...:razz:
 
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Subcutane is for small quantities. Even 1ml will lump up, this is oily shit, it absorbes slowm
BB, you can shoot B12 if you want more energy. I loved mixing it w T. However, adding another mil under ur stomach skin is asking for a lump.

I don t see the big deal shooting it into the muscle. If you can t take a fucking needle, no amt of T is gonna make you a man. I personally feel NO PAIN, sometimes not even a pinch. If care is used pulling the cap off the needle the tip will be straight and sharp and u should feel next to nothing when its driven into ur muscle.
 
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It's not about being a 'big deal'- it's about it possibly being more effective. I still haven't decided what I'm going to do, but if one way is better than the other, that's the method I'll use.
 
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