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I understand you're referring to religion and the citizen, but I'm referring to religion at the government level.

Walking away is possible when it's a private matter and there's no repercussions for doing so; when it's a matter of law, you don't have that option.
Exactly what "religious" Laws are you currently being oppressed by?
 
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Exactly what "religious" Laws are you currently being oppressed by?
So I have to be currently oppressed in order to say that laws with a religious basis are a bad idea and contrary to a founding principle?

Do I have to slam my dick in a car door before I can say it hurts or is someone going to disagree with me on that too?
 

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So, you aren't currently being oppressed by a religious law then.

Good.

Let us all know when you are so we can send tissues for your tears.
 
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So, you aren't currently being oppressed by a religious law then.

Good.

Let us all know when you are so we can send tissues for your tears.
Have you lost your mind?

All I said was "separation of church and state = good" and you're tripping over yourself about something I never said.

Get a grip dude.
 

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I understand you're referring to religion and the citizen, but I'm referring to religion at the government level.

Walking away is possible when it's a private matter and there's no repercussions for doing so; when it's a matter of law, you don't have that option.
so then government officials should not be religious?
 
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You're doing that thing again.

so then government officials should not be religious?
They absolutely can be religious. Many are. Their private beliefs are just that - private. You're free to believe in whatever you want.

Their religious or spiritual beliefs don't have any bearing on their ability or success as a politician.
 

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I understand you're referring to religion and the citizen, but I'm referring to religion at the government level.

Walking away is possible when it's a private matter and there's no repercussions for doing so; when it's a matter of law, you don't have that option.
Where is conforming to ANY religion a matter of law in the United States of America?
 

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You're doing that thing again.



They absolutely can be religious. Many are. Their private beliefs are just that - private. You're free to believe in whatever you want.

Their religious or spiritual beliefs don't have any bearing on their ability or success as a politician.
then I do not understand the nature of your complaint

as far as that "thing" I do it because you have a reputation for not answering questions. So I ask simple ones.
 
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then I do not understand the nature of your complaint

as far as that "thing" I do it because you have a reputation for not answering questions. So I ask simple ones.
I don't have a complaint. All I said was "separation of church and state" is a good thing. That apparently is a controversial statement. :roll:

I don't duck debate. Please point out where I did in the past. Or if you can't find any, please point it out if I do it in the future.

Ironically, I did ask YOU a question in our last exchange about the # of socialists in the dem party that I believe went unanswered.
 

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Have you lost your mind?

All I said was "separation of church and state = good" and you're tripping over yourself about something I never said.

Get a grip dude.
I just can not celebrate abortion, by turning the empire state building pink.

i was in the army for christsakes

i can not celebrate any death.

abortion should not be a means of birth control

I am not trying to enforce my religious or other wise beliefs upon anyone.
just common sense.

when I found out I was 18 and pregnant, I talked to my mom.

my own mother said "you know you can get that taken care off."
she also told me not to get married.

I am so glad that I had my father's love and had my own backbone.
I would never have missed a moment with my kids.
my daughter, lives with me.
my grandkids are a joy
 

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I don't have a complaint. All I said was "separation of church and state" is a good thing. That apparently is a controversial statement. :roll:

I don't duck debate. Please point out where I did in the past. Or if you can't find any, please point it out if I do it in the future.

Ironically, I did ask YOU a question in our last exchange about the # of socialists in the dem party that I believe went unanswered.
Sorry I missed that question. What was the context in which you were asking?
 

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You commented about socialists in the Dem party and I asked how many you run into/who they were.
could you be more specific? I do know several people here who self identify as progeressive socialist. The more vocal ones seem to push more of the socialist agenda even getting very angry if I ask the simplest questions.
 
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could you be more specific?
If I can borrow a page from your book, I will gladly:

"So what is this "socialist" group? What percentage of the Dems who support socialism does this represent? What is your imperial evidence of this? Sure a couple of crazies are in every group, the same could be made for any party though."
 

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If I can borrow a page from your book, I will gladly:

"So what is this "socialist" group? What percentage of the Dems who support socialism does this represent? What is your imperial evidence of this? Sure a couple of crazies are in every group, the same could be made for any party though."
in 2016 during the democratic primary 43% of people voting (over 13 million) voted for an avowed socialist (Bernie Sanders). Considering that voter turn out is always less then actual representation, we can safely say that more then 13 million people voted for a socialist. I live in a state of 2 million people. 13 million, is a lot more.

 

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As I recall in that discussion you are bringing up, I asked you what percentage of GOP voters wanted to repeal the 22nd amendment.

Did you ever answer?
 
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As I recall in that discussion you are bringing up, I asked you what percentage of GOP voters wanted to repeal the 22nd amendment.

Did you ever answer?
I did.

You'll be shocked to know there isn't any polling data on repealing sections of the Constitution. Then Whitepower chimes in how he'd love to re-elect Trump for 2024. Maybe there is some crazy mental gymnastics whereby he could claim to both "love the Constitution" AND would also like to Trump to run for re-re-election. Maybe he falls in the "crazy" category. Who knows.
 
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...more of the hyperbole AD calls "discussion"...

...I couldn't even find out which taco truck he liked...
I'll tell you now what I told you then: Bring several dollars and buy one from each truck going down the line. They're all halfway decent, none far better than another.

Now kindly fuck off.
 

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Have you lost your mind?

All I said was "separation of church and state = good" and you're tripping over yourself about something I never said.

Get a grip dude.
Twist and squirm as you will.


All I did was ask you a question and you didn't answer it but instead,
went off on a tangent about slamming your dick in a car door and also
mentioning something about the relevance of past or imagined future religious oppression to your person.
Then, you began questioning my sanity or lack thereof which has nothing to do with anything.

None of what you posted seemed to be clear on anything save for you dancing around what was asked.
 
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All I did was ask you a question
Good sir, do not play coy. You asked a leading question to infer something I did not state. No where did I state I was being oppressed.

You know this.

I know this.

Yet you asked anyway to dismiss my point.....which you tried to do in your immediate followup post.

So, you aren't currently being oppressed by a religious law then.

Good.

Let us all know when you are so we can send tissues for your tears.

My point, again, is that separation from church and state is a good thing. Let's continue that. The founding fathers felt it was important.

So I'll ask my question to you: Do I need to be currently oppressed to point out that laws with a religious basis are a bad idea?

Do I need to have the RKBA to be revoked first in order to know that it's a bad idea?
 

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I did.

You'll be shocked to know there isn't any polling data on repealing sections of the Constitution. Then Whitepower chimes in how he'd love to re-elect Trump for 2024. Maybe there is some crazy mental gymnastics whereby he could claim to both "love the Constitution" AND would also like to Trump to run for re-re-election. Maybe he falls in the "crazy" category. Who knows.

Not bored enough to search out that thread, the comments were to you, not WP. You claimed the "the GOP" wants to repeal the 22nd.
 
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You claimed the "the GOP" wants to repeal the 22nd.
I did.

I have no scientific poll to back it up, just hearing it direct from voters...Huckabee stating that beating the Impeachment would qualify Trump for a 3rd term...and Trump talking about it repeatedly. Was he joking? Sure, the first 3 times he mentioned it. Do Trump voters realize re-electing Trump to a 3rd term is a violation of the Constitution? Doubt it. But there's enough crazy shit going on in this time line that I stopped thinking, "Nah, he wouldn't do that".

Someone should do a poll - what are the odds that "If Trump ran for a 3rd term, would you vote for him?" would get a resounding yes while "Do you support repealing the 22nd amendment of the United States Constitution" would get a resounding no?
 

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Good sir, do not play coy. You asked a leading question to infer something I did not state. No where did I state I was being oppressed.

You know this.

I know this.

Yet you asked anyway to dismiss my point.....which you tried to do in your immediate followup post.




My point, again, is that separation from church and state is a good thing. Let's continue that. The founding fathers felt it was important.

So I'll ask my question to you: Do I need to be currently oppressed to point out that laws with a religious basis are a bad idea?

Do I need to have the RKBA to be revoked first in order to know that it's a bad idea?
Where did I say anything about the separation between church and state was a bad thing?

Why are you trying to read your own meanings into what I posted?

I asked what religious laws were currently oppressing you because of this post:

I understand you're referring to religion and the citizen, but I'm referring to religion at the government level.

Walking away is possible when it's a private matter and there's no repercussions for doing so; when it's a matter of law, you don't have that option.
" ...but I'm referring to religion at the government level"
Really?

"...when it's a matter of law, you don't have that option."
What?

It begs the question I asked and then asked again.

You still haven't answered it.
 
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It begs the question I asked and then asked again.

You still haven't answered it.
This is some circular logic here. I did answer it - I'm not being oppressed. I don't see why being oppressed is a prerequisite for supporting separation.

There is already separation of church and state. I've stated that as well. It's a good thing. Let's keep it going.

But the point is that IF IT WERE TO CHANGE AND RELIGIOUS BASED LAWS WERE PASSED, you can't simply walk away and pretend it doesn't exist.

I have no idea where this miscommunication is.
 

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This is some circular logic here. I did answer it - I'm not being oppressed. I don't see why being oppressed is a prerequisite for supporting separation.

There is already separation of church and state. I've stated that as well. It's a good thing. Let's keep it going.

But the point is that IF IT WERE TO CHANGE AND RELIGIOUS BASED LAWS WERE PASSED, you can't simply walk away and pretend it doesn't exist.

I have no idea where this miscommunication is.
You just now said you weren't being oppressed.
There are no prerequisites for anything I asked, I just wanted you to let us know when you were being oppressed by religious law so we could spring into action.

So, religious Law is coming to us soon then?
 

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Expand your horizons young man. Sometimes I just pour some Grey Goose over ice and splash a little lime in it. I'll bet in the last year I've drank quite a bit more bourbon than scotch. Probably a phase I'm going through. I think when I was four I was certain that I wanted to be a girl named Shelly for a week or two. Glad that was a phase and my mom didn't start me up on hormone shots as a toddler. Fuck I'd have made an ugly broad. I'm barely better looking than Shrek as a dude. Time to work on my outdoor lighting. I've got shit to do that calls for beer at the moment.
 

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Nevermind that I explicitly said it in #126.

Please point out where I made a statement that made you believe that I was being oppressed.
Yeah never mind #126 it was all kind of running together with the talk of me playing as a fish? but, the question was about you being oppressed by religious law.
I'm not interested in whether or not you were being oppressed by your life partner or love interest.

Religious Law is what you intimated either being or feared being oppressed by.
Look at the second half of #130.
It's as plain the nose on your face, unless you don't have a nose in which case I'd be sad that I was so insensitive about your disfigurement...
...maybe.

So, you don't fear the collapse of separation of church and state or you do?

What's Islam got to do with this?
 

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Expand your horizons young man. Sometimes I just pour some Grey Goose over ice and splash a little lime in it. I'll bet in the last year I've drank quite a bit more bourbon than scotch. Probably a phase I'm going through. I think when I was four I was certain that I wanted to be a girl named Shelly for a week or two. Glad that was a phase and my mom didn't start me up on hormone shots as a toddler. Fuck I'd have made an ugly broad. I'm barely better looking than Shrek as a dude. Time to work on my outdoor lighting. I've got shit to do that calls for beer at the moment.
You're a damned fine looking man but, that doesn't mean I wish to shower with you into the long hours of the night...

...not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
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Religious Law is what you intimated either being or feared being oppressed by.
In my response to maui (#98), which you quoted in #130, I stated a plain fact: You have to follow the law, you can't simply walk away from it just like you could with a private matter you disagree with. I stated that not because I'm currently oppressed by our religious overlords, but to point out a limitation.

So, you don't fear the collapse of separation of church and state or you do?
No, fear is a strong word. I think we're on an even keel and I don't see too much threat for a religious takeover, to the disappointment of some I'm sure.

Possible? Sure.

Likely? Not very.

What's Islam got to do with this?
Islam is a religion and we're discussing religious laws, are we not? They seem to have something to say about basing law on religion....
 

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In my response to maui (#98), which you quoted in #130, I stated a plain fact: You have to follow the law, you can't simply walk away from it just like you could with a private matter you disagree with. I stated that not because I'm currently oppressed by our religious overlords, but to point out a limitation.



No, fear is a strong word. I think we're on an even keel and I don't see too much threat for a religious takeover, to the disappointment of some I'm sure.

Possible? Sure.

Likely? Not very.



Islam is a religion and we're discussing religious laws, are we not? They seem to have something to say about basing law on religion....

Plan fact?
You made it sound like you were the last virgin alter boy in your nightmares that also contained all your state and local politicians dressed as Roman Catholic priests.
You were coming across as afraid that there was about to be some religious oppression committed upon your person.

Who here on this board would be disappointed that a religious takeover wouldn't likely happen?

Islam is not a religion, it is a doctrine of conquest.
 
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Plan fact?
You made it sound like you were the last virgin alter boy in your nightmares that also contained all your state and local politicians dressed as Roman Catholic priests.
You were coming across as afraid that there was about to be some religious oppression committed upon your person.
lol, nah. There's an awful lot of projection going on here.

Go back and reread my post and pretend maui or biggar wrote it.

Who here on this board would be disappointed that a religious takeover wouldn't likely happen?
Are you assuming again?

Nobody.

This place has it's interesting quirks, but holy rolling ain't one of them.

Islam is not a religion, it is a doctrine of conquest.
Eh, if you say so.
 

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Then Whitepower chimes in how he'd love to re-elect Trump for 2024. Maybe there is some crazy mental gymnastics whereby he could claim to both "love the Constitution" AND would also like to Trump to run for re-re-election. Maybe he falls in the "crazy" category. Who knows.
That's called "stink-bait" and you took it hook, line and sinker.
 

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Expand your horizons young man. Sometimes I just pour some Grey Goose over ice and splash a little lime in it. I'll bet in the last year I've drank quite a bit more bourbon than scotch. Probably a phase I'm going through. I think when I was four I was certain that I wanted to be a girl named Shelly for a week or two. Glad that was a phase and my mom didn't start me up on hormone shots as a toddler. Fuck I'd have made an ugly broad. I'm barely better looking than Shrek as a dude. Time to work on my outdoor lighting. I've got shit to do that calls for beer at the moment.
I will often have a Jack and Coke now v my old standard which was a Gin and Tonic. Last couple of years I've made a fair collection of red wines....uh...for cooking. Mostly Spainish wines with a mix of some California cabs etc...
 

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If it were limited to WP, I'd agree.
I think you asked me about people I know or have met in as democratic socialist, I have met them and they are in fact socialist.

How many people have you met, that want to abolish the 22nd amendment, to elect Trump to a third term?
 

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...he wouldn't meet me for tacos...what can I say...???... :confused2:

...it's something you have in common, eh... :ducmanic:

...Trump...President for Life...!!!... :yahoo:
 
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How many people have you met, that want to abolish the 22nd amendment, to elect Trump to a third term?
Question: If someone says they would vote for Trump a 3rd time, do you interpret that as supporting the repeal of the 22nd amendment?

I've overheard people say the former but not the latter. At least in person, explicitly. Would they admit to that?
 
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