Tesla Still Isn't Making Sense - GM Has Fighting Words For Tesla

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Even Elon Musk thinks Teslas are too expensive

Tesla co-founder and CEO Elon Musk said in an earnings call Wednesday what many people have already been thinking: Teslas are too expensive.

“What bugs me the most right now is that our cars are not affordable enough,” said Musk. “We need to fix that. We’re not trying to go bankrupt […] but we’re not trying to be super profitable, either.”

But just because Musk said it, doesn’t mean it will immediately happen — or happen at all. Musk has promised a lot of things over the past few years, many of which have yet to transpire. (Remember in 2016 when he promised a Tesla would drive completely autonomous across the country by 2017? That still hasn’t happened, four years later.)
 

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He also wants to create a new insurance model, eventually going nationwide, customized per driver according to their driving profile pulled from their cars.
 

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He also wants to create a new insurance model, eventually going nationwide, customized per driver according to their driving profile pulled from their cars.
Fuck that, it should go by how many at fault accidents one has if they go by any other measure.

Most just don't pay attention while driving or wait too fucking late to make decisions.
 

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Fuck that, it should go by how many at fault accidents one has if they go by any other measure.

Most just don't pay attention while driving or wait too fucking late to make decisions.
it would make the auto pilot cars (Tesla) cheaper to run. Basically pricing out the self drivers.
 
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Rivian unveiled the R1T pickup truck and R1S SUV at the 2018 Los Angeles Auto Show and plans to put the vehicles into production in 2021. The company is the closest to being a rival to Tesla compared to the rest of the EV startup field, having managed to secure over $6 billion in funding since its founding in 2009, as well as supply deals for major firms including Ford and Amazon.
 
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More bad news for the Telsa market lead advantage..

  • Chinese electric car start-up Xpeng Motors has filed for an initial public offering (IPO) on the New York Stock Exchange.
  • The listing filing comes after CNBC reported that it raised a further $400 million from Alibaba, one of its biggest shareholders, the Qatar Investment Authority (QIA) and Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth fund Mubadala.
  • Xpeng currently has two cars on the market — the G3 SUV and the P7 sedan. The latter competes with Tesla’s Model 3.

Other competition in China from a number of players including Li Auto, which recently listed in the U.S., WM Motor and Nio.


Hyundai Bringing Rad EV Concept Cars to Life for New Electric-Car Brand
Automaker plans three Ioniq EV models in the next four years.


In the increasingly competitive green-car space, the Hyundai Ioniq lineup hasn't gained much traction. Many consumers haven't even heard of the trio—it offers hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and electric powertrains—of Ioniq hatchbacks currently available, and the EV variant isn't at all competitive when it comes to range. Now Hyundai is seeking to changing the narrative by turning Ioniq into its own EV brand. Under the new label, the automaker will launch three electric vehicles in the next four years: a midsize crossover, a sedan, and a large SUV. \




Some good looking cars
 
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More bad news for the Telsa market lead advantage..
Meh... nothing anyone with a brain wouldn't expect.

Some good looking cars
Agreed. Too bad they'll water them down so much, they'll look like any other car on the road. Likely they won't sell well and they'll blame the lack of sales on being an EV rather than being a lackluster, run-of-the-mill design. Designers need to stop thinking "car" and start thinking "transportation". Break the mold. Start over.
 
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They are both fairly horrid. The Rivian could be fixed with a new front end. What Tesla releases will be more subdued and likely more to your (and the market's) liking.
Did you watch that vid with Leno? Elan says that he does not produce teaser prototypes. His prototypes are the final design.
That dumb truck is a going to be the Edsel of the 2020s
 

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Did you watch that vid with Leno? Elan says that he does not produce teaser prototypes. His prototypes are the final design.
The Model S prototype (the one on the official Tesla flyer) was not the design that made it to production. Close, but not the same. Using that historic logic, the truck will likely be close. I don't think the final product will have the same external material composition. Final design will be close? Maybe. NHTSA may have something to say about crush zones, bumper requirements and such.
 

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More bad news for the Telsa market lead advantage..
...blah blah blah

Dude, you've lost your mind

'bad news'?

Do you really think Elon & crew weren't anticipating competition?

Really?


Tesla has not only baked future competition into its business plan (like any business would duh), they're embracing it

Because every time the old guard announces their 'coming' Tesla rival, so far it's been one of two outcomes...delayed vaporware or a big nothing burger


I see the EV space unfolding like the phone space...two titans will emerge like an Apple and 'everybody else led by Samsung'

And much of the phone old guard didn't survive the post-iPhone landscape (Nokia, Ericsson, Blackberry, Motorola and on and on)

The groundswell in the car space is coming and legacy
 

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Poor nomad!! The ELON jealousy is just overwhelming! "Fail, fail, PLEASE FAIL, Tesla".....what's it like being you, nomad?
 
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Here are the quick and dirty specs: the all-wheel drive hypercar uses instantaneous torque to hit 60 mph 2.2 seconds on the way to 220-plus mph, runs for 1,000 miles on a single charge, and recharges in five minutes. That all sounds too good to be true, but Hyperion says that storing electric energy in hydrogen fuel cell systems vastly reduces weight while offering better handling and braking in comparison to lithium battery-powered EVs.


HOW YA LIKE THAT BATTERY FACTORY INVESTMENT NOW ?





Now thats styling.
 

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Here are the quick and dirty specs: the all-wheel drive hypercar uses instantaneous torque to hit 60 mph 2.2 seconds on the way to 220-plus mph, runs for 1,000 miles on a single charge, and recharges in five minutes. That all sounds too good to be true...
... because it is. Anyone who understands rudimentary physics would arrive at the same conclusion.

That level of technology won't happen in my lifetime. Quote it.
 

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those flat fender cars are sexy in thier own way. the smaller grill also is to me more stylish. If they can keep the weight down that would be a really scary fast car.
 
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Tesla thwarts performance hacks for its electric cars

What a bunch of greedy corporate fukwads


software for Tesla’s Model 3 thwarts an Ingenext mod that unlocks features like an extra 50HP and Drive Mode.

These features typically cost thousands of dollars to unlock through Tesla (such as a $2,000 Acceleration Boost), so there’s a strong incentive for buyers willing to take the risk.
 
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he bought the Lotus Esprit submarine car that’s used in the James Bond movie “The Spy Who Loved Me.” Musk paid $920,000 at auction.


“It was amazing as a little kid in South Africa to watch James Bond in ‘The Spy Who Loved Me’ drive his Lotus Esprit off a pier, press a button and have it transform into a submarine underwater,” Musk said in a statement to Jalopnik at the time. “I was disappointed to learn that it can’t actually transform. What I’m going to do is upgrade it with a Tesla electric powertrain and try to make it transform for real.”


A company run by an 8yo boy
 

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I just want the Z1 with the sidecar launched missile setup from that movie...

...fuck the Lotus, it'll probably leak and the electrics will fail.
 
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Tesla's cars are too expensive, and Elon Musk knows it — here's why that could be a big problem for the electric-vehicle leader




  • Over the course of about two decades, Tesla has established a micro-monopoly over the electric car market.
  • But to survive, it has had to charge a lot for its vehicles, which runs counter to CEO Elon Musk's master plan to kill off the internal-combustion engine.
  • It's possible that Tesla will never face meaningful EV competition, despite numerous companies jumping into the action.
  • But eventually, Tesla could end up monopolizing data, and that would lead to problems for the company.
 
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Teslas should sell for a premium.
When Tesla wants to produce cheap people movers they can absorb Renault, Borg-like.
Building major operations in India is on the horizon.
 

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When will tesla cars be marketed by Harbor Freight?
 

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Who was Nicola Testa's janitor? Tesla should name their cheap India Renault cages after him. What GM did to Buick.
 

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Who was Nicola Testa's janitor? Tesla should name their cheap India Renault cages after him. What GM did to Buick.
Custodial or Facility Engineer is what you should say instead a Janitor.
How dare you use such a demeaning term to describe the backbone of many of the great companies around the world!
 
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