Should people that stay in a hurricane be rescued?

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I'm watching the news, and they're saying the authorities are having to rescue people that were too stupid to evacuate.

What did they hope to accomplish by staying there ?

Hold back 15 foot storm surge? Hold down their roof in 100 mile per hour winds?

If you're stupid enough to stay, at least write your ssn on your arm in permanent marker so they can identify the body.
 
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Short answer, yes.

Long answer - Yes, and they should be 100% on the hook for full reimbursement of the cost of said rescue. If they can't pay then they should be put to work cleaning up the mess after the storm to pay off their debt, at $15 an hour.
 
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You never been to poor places in this country have you? Here is what I have learned first hand about some areas of the USA during the worst of times..


People are proud. Especially in the south..They will not abandoned their home steads.. ask or expect help from any one...specially if the homes are over 90 years old and they lived there all their lives. Their take is it's a strong home and nothing can bring it down.. they usually they find it's not the structure that is in danger its keeping your head above water, keeping dry for days, trying to keep warm food water, clean drinking water becomes scarce.

water rescue is hard in land floods. Specially in hilly areas. Ground will be deeply flooded in areas surrounded by land mass. Getting logistics into areas to launch water rescue becomes challanging.



Then there is being poor.. I mean so poor you don't have a place to go or a way to get there. The more remote the homestead the more they get isolated.

Then there is the people that have no clue what a storm surge is.. you can watch it on TV or YouTube but NOTHING will prepare you for it until you are in one.

We had more people removed in fresh water than sea water during hurricane.. what going to catch people off guard in the storm is just how slow the storm moves and just how much rain will flood HUGE areas.. we have 14 teams there from out USAR FEMA TF units. And the OEMs are asking for more resources as rain amounts will be over 20 to 30 inches in a multi state area.its been a very wet season this year on the east coast so land and water areas are not going to absorb much.. al that water will have to head back to lowland areas leading to standing grey water. I can tell you grey water sucks to be near or worse in.

I agree most should have vacated. Ocean Casino in Alantic city opened all open room for people and surprisingly people with pets for free until the storms passed and they can return


Which leads up to live stock people.. they will if able will move their animals. Some can't for financial or other reasons and will stay behind .. trying their best to save their ani.als so the banks won't take their homes when they lose all they have going to market.


Then there is people that do rescue for a living.. I used to live for this stuff.. some reason why we like fast motorcycles.. nothing makes you feel alive more than packing for acmission.. but even more ducking heart pumping is getting your assignment and getting out there.. saving that person and their sheer gratification that they are going to be safe because men put it on the line when someone asked for help.

Should they be rescued ... as long as their are men and woman to put it on the line. YES THEY SHOULD BE.

To play devils advocate here. It costs A LOT OF MONEY for an 80 person team to be activated, get all logistics into place, and keep supplies and man power up to task that it gets staggering what some rescues can cost...

Then no team leader will send their members into something that might make them a rescue themselves.

All but the US military guys that is.. they take over where The federal teams stop.
 
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I just watched a rescue on the lying lamestreem media (MSNBC).

The rescued people, a man and woman, are elderly and feeble. They could barely walk, and could only climb the 4 rung ladder into the back of the truck with assistance. Yes, they should be rescued. As Rhino said above, all they have is each other, even if they have a car it's unlikely they could pack much in it or drive for long afterwards.
 
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Stations even here in the Charlotte area have been running low on gas for several days... think back to Houston, where people desperate to escape the storms ended up being stranded and even worse-off in BFE.

It's dumb to stay if you have somewhere else to go, but not everyone does. Don't be too quick to judge from your easy chair while you fuck around on the internet.

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I left for one hurricane, I'll never do it again, I'm riding them out! The only way outta here is I-95 North, it's almost a parking lot on good days, when they evacuate, you just sit there in bumper to bumper traffic! You'd have to leave a week ahead of the storm to get a semi clear run.
We are at least 10 miles inland, no need to worry aboot storm surge.
Wind damage... i doubt it would pancake my whole house. I have been known to bring the chainsaw and crowbar into the house.
 
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Short answer, yes.

Long answer - Yes, and they should be 100% on the hook for full reimbursement of the cost of said rescue. If they can't pay then they should be put to work cleaning up the mess after the storm to pay off their debt, at $15 an hour.
...where can I sign up...I cleaned toilets in a ferry station for less...
 
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...where can I sign up...I cleaned toilets in a ferry station for less...
BIGLY HUGE MONEY can be made doing hurricane clean up. But you need a good sized truck, dump trailer, backhoe, front end loader and some workers.
 
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Stations even here in the Charlotte area have been running low on gas for several days... think back to Houston, where people desperate to escape the storms ended up being stranded and even worse-off in BFE.

It's dumb to stay if you have somewhere else to go, but not everyone does. Don't be too quick to judge from your easy chair while you fuck around on the internet.

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Sidebar thread hijack-

It seems as though every TV station in the country sends a weather snoid to stand outdoors being lashed by wind and rain while telling the audience that the storm is going to be bad. There's a part of me that wants to see one of them in a 27 m/sec (60MPH) wind get decapitated by a flying shingle, or laid out cold by a flying garbage can.
 
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...I want them to go out on camera when the winds start to hit 100 mph...
 
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Yes,,,, unless,,,, it's Mueller,,, :cool:

err,,, one a da,,, Clintons... :mad:
 
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There's a part of me that wants to see one of them in a 27 m/sec (60MPH) wind get decapitated by a flying shingle, or laid out cold by a flying garbage can.
lol Then you'll enjoy this one :lol:

[video=youtube_share;on4PDM8p7QI]http://youtu.be/on4PDM8p7QI[/video]

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...I want them to go out on camera when the winds start to hit 100 mph...
Did you ever see the old WFSB ch3's Hilton Kaderli get blown across the parking lot like a tumbleweed when he was trying to stand on top of Mt. Washington in 36 m/sec (80mph) + wind? Utube Hilton Kaderli Mt washington
 
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It was reported that many (if not all) shelters were refusing to accept animals- a lot of people stayed because they wouldn't leave their dogs or cats, and they'd likely have left if they could have brought their pets- if possible, rescue teams should help them if they need it and it's possible to do so.
 
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It was reported that many (if not all) shelters were refusing to accept animals- a lot of people stayed because they wouldn't leave their dogs or cats, and they'd likely have left if they could have brought their pets- if possible, rescue teams should help them if they need it and it's possible to do so.
All due respect here... they tell you at the beginning of hurricane season to "Have a plan".
Mine is:
-Stocked with water and rations
-stocked with necessary utilities
-bug out vehicle can leave in up to 3' of water and carry what we need for a week. (or go 350 miles on a tank of fuel)

Like MC... I aint never fucking leaving. Im a 1/2 mile off the coast. Also fuck the local TV stations :fu:... just get a NOAA app on your phone with a backup battery.
 
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should they get rescued?
Yes
Do they deserve it?
yes
Did they make poor choices?
Yes
Do they endanger the rescue crews?
Yes
Will they do it again?
Yes
Will they be wrong next time?
Yes
 
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I'd imagine many people can't afford a 'bug-out vehicle that can handle 3' of water' to have around just in case of a disaster. Sometimes your plan can go tits-up if there's a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence. Sometimes, like Rhino said, people just can't make it to a safer place. I could see people staying due to not being able to bring their pets, and having things go worse than they expected.
 
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I'd imagine many people can't afford a 'bug-out vehicle that can handle 3' of water' to have around just in case of a disaster. Sometimes your plan can go tits-up if there's a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence. Sometimes, like Rhino said, people just can't make it to a safer place.
Id agree with you... if you didnt have a plan. And that vehicle is a 1999 Toyota 4 Runner...lol.
I mean if youre living on the "coast" you've got a lil bit of resource(s). Hence "Coastal Living" magazine! :D
 
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I'd imagine many people can't afford a 'bug-out vehicle that can handle 3' of water' to have around just in case of a disaster. Sometimes your plan can go tits-up if there's a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence. Sometimes, like Rhino said, people just can't make it to a safer place.
true, but I think if you really want to leave, for the most part, there are going to be options. But to uniformity and summarily judge people for staying as not deserving rescue I don't sign off on. Like you said, (and Rhino) shit happens. We should all hope that in these cases either we get the help we need or we are able to provide the help that is needed and not judge people on the outcome either way.
 
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Also, as the media has been mentioned, they love to play up the potential severity of a storm because it makes for better ratings, and they usually make it sound like it will be worse than it ends up being- people tend to think it won't be as 'they' say, because it's often not- then a truly bad one hits...
 
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Also, as the media has been mentioned, they love to play up the potential severity of a storm because it makes for better ratings, and they usually make it sound like it will be worse than it ends up being- people tend to think it won't be as 'they' say, because it's often not- then a truly bad one hits...
around here... the dipshits build these abortion jeeps or 4x4 van to out do each other on the "live" weather reporting. :rollleyes:
I noticed the Weather Channel was in full fucking swing earlier in the week.
As a Floridian... Im glad I dont have to worry about this storm.
 
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crap, just watched that video.

might be the best thing ever in the history of the internet....yep, pretty sure it is :lol: :up:
 
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ok I've watched that a couple more times now....still funny :up:
 
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I thought it might be real- it's not, unfortunately, but it's still pretty funny.:lol:

There were apparently several memes and videos created from her extremely emotional reporting of the storm.
 
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I get there's poor people out there, but if you're too poor to evacuate, use airline miles, if you don't have a car, call uber.

Solutions, not problems.
 
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Here's a pretty good Weather Channel video showing a graphic of potential storm surge. I once walked through a surge that was close to four feet (dragging the wife behind me)- it was really tough going, and she would have been washed down the street if she had been by herself (which would have been way cheaper than a divorce, I suppose... sometimes when she annoys me I bring up that day and say I should have just let her go:lol:):

[video=youtube_share;bRkXPuGAHkE]http://youtu.be/bRkXPuGAHkE[/video]
 
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I get there's poor people out there, but if you're too poor to evacuate, use airline miles, if you don't have a car, call uber.

Solutions, not problems.
Those broke ass ballers could just call one of those redneck stretched Hummer limo's to haul them out of the trailer park.
 
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Here's a pretty good Weather Channel video showing a graphic of potential storm surge. I once walked through a surge that was close to four feet (dragging the wife behind me)- it was really tough going, and she would have been washed down the street if she had been by herself (which would have been way cheaper than a divorce, I suppose... sometimes when she annoys me I bring up that day and say I should have just let her go:lol:):

[video=youtube_share;bRkXPuGAHkE]http://youtu.be/bRkXPuGAHkE[/video]
She should have tossed in a Sharknado!
 
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I get there's poor people out there, but if you're too poor to evacuate, use airline miles, if you don't have a car, call uber.

Solutions, not problems.
Poor people have airlines miles and use Uber :lol:

Worst case scenario, they can sell off some stock or withdraw from their Roth :up:

Solutions, not problems.
 
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[h=2]Should people that stay in a hurricane be rescued?[/h].
If they were healthy and able to leave but were ordered to evacuate and didn't, then yes they should be rescued.
And then they should be ordered to do community service to help rebuild the community afterwards.
 
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If they were healthy and able to leave but were ordered to evacuate and didn't, then yes they should be rescued.
And then they should be ordered to do community service to help rebuild the community afterwards.
Get the fuck out of here with that shit! If you want to start "rationalizing" costs...why the fuck do we spend a fuck ton on "fire departments" when its a totally preventable occurance (except for Jews with insurance).
 
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Get the fuck out of here with that shit! If you want to start "rationalizing" costs...why the fuck do we spend a fuck ton on "fire departments" when its a totally preventable occurance (except for Jews with insurance).
Do fire departments warn you ahead of time that your house is going to burn down?
I mean, we can guess who the first idiots will be that burn their house down due to random idiocy. But it's still just a guess.
A hurricane isn't a guess.
Giving a mandatory evacuation isn't a guess.
 
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Do fire departments warn you ahead of time that your house is going to burn down?
I mean, we can guess who the first idiots will be that burn their house down due to random idiocy. But it's still just a guess.
A hurricane isn't a guess.
Giving a mandatory evacuation isn't a guess.
Fire depts are pretty "pro active" about patrolling homes and businesses with annual inspections.
You wouldnt be able to occupy a home if the fire marshall/inspector doesnt sign your CO.

A hurricane is absolutely a "guess"... how many times has TWC over forecasted storms in the past few years? A whole lot!

Im able bodied and prepared for an incoming storm. Nobody is directing me when to evacuate. Also even if I did evacuate... it would have to be over a bridge which gets shut down if winds go north of 50mph. :lol: Also now I have special priority as a Govt Gal so fuck the fuck off with your citizen sheet! :fu:
 
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Fire depts are pretty "pro active" about patrolling homes and businesses with annual inspections.
You wouldnt be able to occupy a home if the fire marshall/inspector doesnt sign your CO.

A hurricane is absolutely a "guess"... how many times has TWC over forecasted storms in the past few years? A whole lot!

Im able bodied and prepared for an incoming storm. Nobody is directing me when to evacuate. Also even if I did evacuate... it would have to be over a bridge which gets shut down if winds go north of 50mph. :lol: Also now I have special priority as a Govt Gal so fuck the fuck off with your citizen sheet! :fu:

Fire department, OHSA, EPA, IRS would all shit a brick if they came into the junkyard!
 
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It was reported that many (if not all) shelters were refusing to accept animals- a lot of people stayed because they wouldn't leave their dogs or cats, and they'd likely have left if they could have brought their pets- if possible, rescue teams should help them if they need it and it's possible to do so.
Many many places did except animals. Including Ocean Casino in Altlantic city ..they even wave ALL FEES and will keep them until the floodwaters and areas are safe for people to return..

I have a HUGE list of large animal stays.. mostly farms in neighboring states and high ground that will take in horses and live stock.

Most costal animal shelters already transported their animals to rescue groups and animal shelters they remain empty and will be able to take in animals once the areas arecsafevto return


But animal abandonment is something most won't do.. t
While others have no problem about leaving a dog chained to a tree and expect the dog to live through the storm and flood.

4 people dead so far

Heart attack that emergency service could not get through to..
Two people killed when a tree fell on their house
And the 4th a man that tried to plug a generator in.. I imagine he was standing in water and nothing be grounded
 
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...they probably moved inland days ago...
 
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The largest storm surges reported on Friday from Florence were in New Bern and Emerald Isle, North Carolina, where water levels reached 10.1 feet and 7.0 feet above ground, respectively, according to the National Hurricane Center. New Bern, a city of about 30,000 residents, saw significant storm surge flooding after the Neuse River overflowed its banks and swept into the town.

That is a lot of water.
 
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We're waiting to see if the wife's son (my step son) house has been flooded. Their house is a mile or two north of Wilmington NC. They can't go back yet. They have renters insurance, but I guess it doesn't cover flood damage to their personal belongings. Can't wait to see what this will co$t u$. :-?
When I moved away from my parents house, that was it! If I got hit by a meteor, that was too fucking bad, you're on you own big shot, deal with it. And I did.
 
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Step son?? You Promised Shiavo and I, those 250’s aren’t going to be handed down. I mean to someone other than ourselves. :wink:

I see some house guests in your near future. Hope they are ok in NC.



We're waiting to see if the wife's son (my step son) house has been flooded. Their house is a mile or two north of Wilmington NC. They can't go back yet. They have renters insurance, but I guess it doesn't cover flood damage to their personal belongings. Can't wait to see what this will co$t u$. :-?
When I moved away from my parents house, that was it! If I got hit by a meteor, that was too fucking bad, you're on you own big shot, deal with it. And I did.
 
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