PGE giving the Bend over treatment to Northern Calif. Power being turned off at certain counties

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We made it, now a third world state, homelessness on the streets of many cities, drug use in the open, Illegals welcome, shitty roadways and freeways, etc and now shutting down the electrical service.
 
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We made it, now a third world state, homelessness on the streets of many cities, drug use in the open, Illegals welcome, shitty roadways and freeways, etc and now shutting down the electrical service.

Do you understand why??



It has nothing to do with "third world state."


They are trying to prevent a Camp Fire disaster. The fire that took a friend's life. That friend's son is licking his chops with all the crap the lawyers are feeding him about how wealthy he's going to be......kids's talking about ordering a C8 Corvette and buying an island in the Caribbean....talking CSJ wealthy. Probably a million people thinking the same shit.....all because PG&E didn't shut it down that morning.

Dumb asses crucified PG&E for not shutting it down prior to the morning of that fire and now you morons are complaining of a shutdown during an extreme wind episode.

What do YOU want them to do???

Sometimes you can't win.
 
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Isn't it because PG&E's infrastructure was allowed to decay? So yeah, that's another California failure.
 
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Isn't it because PG&E's infrastructure was allowed to decay? So yeah, that's another California failure.

I guess.....but I'm leaning towards someone not allowing to clear the fuel around the power lines....raking the forest if you will.

High winds have knocked down powerlines forever. It's when those energized lines land in dense trees and brush where it becomes the problem.
 
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PG&E says power line inspections revealed 10,000 problems - some in need of immediate repair

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Of the 9,671 problems listed in the inspection data PG&E released on Monday, 42.7% cannot be repaired and must be replaced. Of those that need to be replaced, 16.6% are in the Bay Area.

Among the other problems PG&E revealed were:

• 2,511 incidents of broken or damaged equipment
• 855 pieces of equipment decayed or rotten, most of which needed replacing
• 36 incidents of corrosion, including one in San Francisco (site not specified)
• 109 incidents of leaking, mostly transformers
• 21 nests to be removed
• 31 instances of woodpecker damage
• 20 incidents of contamination, mostly in Santa Cruz. These can be cleaned or washed, PG&E says. The utility didn’t say what the sites were contaminated with.
 
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PG&E says power line inspections revealed 10,000 problems - some in need of immediate repair

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Of the 9,671 problems listed in the inspection data PG&E released on Monday, 42.7% cannot be repaired and must be replaced. Of those that need to be replaced, 16.6% are in the Bay Area.

Among the other problems PG&E revealed were:

• 2,511 incidents of broken or damaged equipment
• 855 pieces of equipment decayed or rotten, most of which needed replacing
• 36 incidents of corrosion, including one in San Francisco (site not specified)
• 109 incidents of leaking, mostly transformers
• 21 nests to be removed
• 31 instances of woodpecker damage
• 20 incidents of contamination, mostly in Santa Cruz. These can be cleaned or washed, PG&E says. The utility didn’t say what the sites were contaminated with.

Wonder what the outcry will be if power needs to be shutdown to facilitate some of those repairs???
 
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If trump said "10,000 problems revealed" and it was actually 9671 it would be featured in all the 'lists of Trumps lies" lol
 
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Con Edison shuts down the poor areas here in high demand times.. if they dont "brown out"/ and or shut down they damage equipment that is being over taxed in high demand summer heat. It's a choice keep the entire grid and loose everything or shut some of it down and turn on when consumption reduces
 
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a private company with crumbling infrastructure cutting back on service to paying customers would be considered to be insolvent or near to it. A publicly traded company would certainly have a sell off. Bonds would be considered junk.

11/8/18 camp fire starts, PG&E trading at $47.80
11/15/18 $17.74
today (10/9/19) it's actually up a little to $10.99
 
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a private company with crumbling infrastructure cutting back on service to paying customers would be considered to be insolvent or near to it. A publicly traded company would certainly have a sell off. Bonds would be considered junk.

11/8/18 camp fire starts, PG&E trading at $47.80
11/15/18 $17.74
today (10/9/19) it's actually up a little to $10.99

They are under bankruptcy if that's pertinent to your post...
 
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looks like it's not their first time either
 
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People were taking the piss out of California on social feeds last night

The best quip I saw was "California is more and more becoming like the India of the 70's" lol
 
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Do you understand why??

It has nothing to do with "third world state."

They are trying to prevent a Camp Fire disaster. The fire that took a friend's life. That friend's son is licking his chops with all the crap the lawyers are feeding him about how wealthy he's going to be......kids's talking about ordering a C8 Corvette and buying an island in the Caribbean....talking CSJ wealthy. Probably a million people thinking the same shit.....all because PG&E didn't shut it down that morning.

Dumb asses crucified PG&E for not shutting it down prior to the morning of that fire and now you morons are complaining of a shutdown during an extreme wind episode.

What do YOU want them to do???

Sometimes you can't win.
Wrong. See the next quote below.

Isn't it because PG&E's infrastructure was allowed to decay? So yeah, that's another California failure.
This. Hell, some of the gas lines weren't even up to code when they were installed in the 50' sand 60's!

I guess.....but I'm leaning towards someone not allowing to clear the fuel around the power lines....raking the forest if you will.

High winds have knocked down powerlines forever. It's when those energized lines land in dense trees and brush where it becomes the problem.
This is true also. Blame the infestation of environmentalists into the Forestry Dept., and all of the political bullshit around "climate change" for a lot of this. As well, of course, GREED. An utter and complete failure on the heads of California's leadership (that goes for BOTH sides of the aisle).

a private company with crumbling infrastructure cutting back on service to paying customers would be considered to be insolvent or near to it. A publicly traded company would certainly have a sell off. Bonds would be considered junk.

11/8/18 camp fire starts, PG&E trading at $47.80
11/15/18 $17.74
today (10/9/19) it's actually up a little to $10.99
They are under bankruptcy if that's pertinent to your post...
"To big to fail".... (translation = too many politician's pockets are being lined)

People were taking the piss out of California on social feeds last night

The best quip I saw was "California is more and more becoming like the India of the 70's" lol
Pretty much spot on.
 
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Blame the infestation of environmentalists into the Forestry Dept., and all of the political bullshit around "climate change" for a lot of this.
I'm keeping an open mind here - what is your basis for environmentalists standing in the way of tree trimming and debris removal around power lines?

It's not a coincidence that climate change is occuring during these high fire risk warnings...
 
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Every couple years a hurricane come thru here and weeds out the bad poles and wires. They have been beefing up the electrical system around here for years, mostly replacing wood poles with concrete ones. What they really need to do is put it underground.
 
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I'm keeping an open mind here - what is your basis for environmentalists standing in the way of tree trimming and debris removal around power lines?

It's not a coincidence that climate change is occuring during these high fire risk warnings...
There was a good thread couple year back about this. It had your answers. I think it was a snail thread which means it might could be gone now.
 
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Wrong. See the next quote below.



This. Hell, some of the gas lines weren't even up to code when they were installed in the 50' sand 60's!



This is true also. Blame the infestation of environmentalists into the Forestry Dept., and all of the political bullshit around "climate change" for a lot of this. As well, of course, GREED. An utter and complete failure on the heads of California's leadership (that goes for BOTH sides of the aisle).





"To big to fail".... (translation = too many politician's pockets are being lined)



Pretty much spot on.

What was "wrong" about my post??

I gave the reasons why they shut it down.

I know from studying the Camp Fire they were on the fence whether they were going to do it then....they will forever now error on the side of caution.

As far as outdated/decaying equipment is concerned, I'm not entirely sure that even with everything fixed they still wouldn't shut down during a high wind event.

It's not like they're losing power "just because"
 
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Every couple years a hurricane come thru here and weeds out the bad poles and wires. They have been beefing up the electrical system around here for years, mostly replacing wood poles with concrete ones. What they really need to do is put it underground.

Just a WAG...don't think it's feasible to do the high tension wires underground.
 
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https://www.popsci.com/why-dont-we-put-power-lines-underground/

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In either case, the wires hanging above aren't ready for life underground without some modifications, the most important of which is insulation. Electricity wires are, by their nature, very warm, as they’re channeling currents to and fro. In the open air, this heat can dissipate, but deep in the soil it can’t. That’s why utilities wrapped their underground wires in plastic and surround them with a conduit like oil to keep things from overheating.
 
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There was a good thread couple year back about this. It had your answers. I think it was a snail thread which means it might could be gone now.
yeah I remember that thread. There were some bad policies in place that allowed small fires to become huge fires - allowing small fires to burn without intervention, disallowing controlled burns, preventing logging efforts to prevent deadwood piling up, maintenance of fire roads, etc. I doubt those have changed since.
 
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yeah I remember that thread. There were some bad policies in place that allowed small fires to become huge fires - allowing small fires to burn without intervention, disallowing controlled burns, preventing logging efforts to prevent deadwood piling up, maintenance of fire roads, etc. I doubt those have changed since.

Which in the language of trumpinese it was stated as "raking the forest."


Kind of like how clean coal became "washing the coal."
 
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https://www.popsci.com/why-dont-we-put-power-lines-underground/

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In either case, the wires hanging above aren't ready for life underground without some modifications, the most important of which is insulation. Electricity wires are, by their nature, very warm, as they’re channeling currents to and fro. In the open air, this heat can dissipate, but deep in the soil it can’t. That’s why utilities wrapped their underground wires in plastic and surround them with a conduit like oil to keep things from overheating.
.NYC and surround boroughs are all under ground feeds. It works but there are occasional failures... salt from road salting is the number one cause of failure followed by heat related break down.
 
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.NYC and surround boroughs are all under ground feeds. It works but there are occasional failures... salt from road salting is the number one cause of failure followed by heat related break down.
Feeds....or the high tension wires???
 
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Feeds....or the high tension wires???

Both...

I did the 13.8k feeds for the trade Center.. there are nine vaults that feed the complex.. two are feed from vaults in the ground and go mid span of the tower two come all the way from New Jersey. All back up Gen Feeds come from Building 4 mid building.
 
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If one of those downed power lines hits pavement, it will set the asphalt on fire. Trimming brush isn't the thing here.
 
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California's Forced Power Outages Expose Systemic Failure, Governor Says | HuffPost

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PG&E has been under nearly nonstop investigation for the past decade for wildfires linked to the company violating safety rules, such as poor record-keeping on malfunctioning equipment. Time and again, state regulators have found that PG&E violated state laws when it comes to keeping its equipment safe, especially given the tinder dry conditions California has endured in recent years.
 
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Well may take flack but what is new. Do not feel sorry for the tree hugging Kali people one bit. Hope they like reading by candle light. The Liberal Swine there will make every effort and spare no expense to make the poor handcuffed Utility Look Like the Bad Man Here.

Sorry for you who have to live there ( I love it there but cannot stand the liberal swine who inhabit the state) and the sooner Kali falls into the Pacific the better off we will be. A sad but true fact.
 
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if they unplug the grid... how is Tesla to make any vehicles? How are apps to be written in Mountain View??
 

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wheres our farmer geek retiree... Dameon Dameon He should get together with BilletMan BilletMan and see how long & efficient the process can be!!
One guy even tried rigging up a generator as a range extender. The weight of the generator offset any range advantages. Plus the car is smart enough not to move with power hooked up... something gas cars could easily do with a small leaf/reed switch in the gas inlet. But then how would we be entertained with people pulling away from gas pumps with the nozzles in the car?
 

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This electricity business sounds dangerous and should probably be banned before someone creates an assault version with extended clip capacities.
 

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Power underground is done all the time. It’s fucking expensive as hell, but no wind damage, tree trouble, frozen sagging lines or all the other shit that Happens when you hang wire in the air.

it would cost us in the trillions to get all the high power grid underground, and a bunch of trillions more to get cities and towns to go underground now. And don’t worry about the heat.......😆
 

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Agreed , it would be a staggering cost to bury all of the power distribution. PG&E alone, said it would cost them 110 billion to put their service lines underground.
 

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couldnt some of that cost be offset by salvaging the overhead line, poles, and boxes? Then transport to India or the like??
 
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