Pelosi gonna start a ground war with China?

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Lots of jokes out there.

Biden has told her not to go, China (fuck them) is getting really trigger happy (fuck them) but on the side of picking your battles, is Nancy just so much more in charge of shit then Biden that she can just make up her own diplomatic policy? Starting a ground war, mostly be air and sea, with China in their back yard just defies everything.

If Pelosi goes its going to be one of the biggest over sized egos in history starting a war when we're basically just trying to get out economic shit in order. I know theres lots chatter on war is good business. It's not. The moment this happens you don't think Russia will see a bigger opportunity in Europe?



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All the Americans have to do is monitor the Chinese and Russian satellites and if they move it around towards the Asian hemisphere esp the spy satellite all we have to do is take out all their satellite system before we ground and pound the enemy.

remember missiles from space, planes, subs are your killer ship destoryer, ask the Russians about losing some of their ships.
 

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Few politicians have been more anti-China during their political careers than Pelosi- I'm not surprised she wants to go to Taiwan- she's also been a strong supporter of Hong Kong and Tibet. She even pushed Trump to hit them hard with sanctions when he was POTUS, and she's been opposed to expanding trade with China for decades.

I'm not saying the trip is a great idea, but Beijing doesn't get to dictate US foreign policy, and it doesn't tell our government reps where they can and can't go.

 

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All the Americans have to do is monitor the Chinese and Russian satellites and if they move it around towards the Asian hemisphere esp the spy satellite
I'm no rocket scientist but I'm pretty sure once a satellite is in orbit that's the path that it stays on
Quick Google search says that holding one in one place is pretty much impossible..
 
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Few politicians have been more anti-China during their political careers than Pelosi- I'm not surprised she wants to go to Taiwan- she's also been a strong supporter of Hong Kong and Tibet. She even pushed Trump to hit them hard with sanctions when he was POTUS, and she's been opposed to expanding trade with China for decades.

I'm not saying the trip is a great idea, but Beijing doesn't get to dictate US foreign policy, and it doesn't tell our government reps where they can and can't go.

I'm no fan of China (fuck them), and given the chance for anyone to escape communism or socialism I'm in favor. China violated trade deals like Epstien does teen age girls. While Pelosi might have been in favor of Trump putting the screws to China he got nothing but grief fo it.

I agree that China does not, will not, get to dictate policy however poking the giant panda bear in this case will gain us what?

Whats the goal here with a visit from Pelosi? Taiwan was excluded from the Indo-Pacific trade agreement. 10 days later they got their own agreement which fell short of "free trade" but is still an agreement. I suspect and I think it was reported at the time (could be wrong), that China didn't want them in the Indo-Pacific so we just made a separate one. Diplomacy being what it is. I'm sure they'd like a better position. None of that require the US to go to Taiwan.

Brian, you're in that region (basically) and have a much better read then most. Whats the play here?
 
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I'm no rocket scientist but I'm pretty sure once a satellite is in orbit that's the path that it stays on
Quick Google search says that holding one in one place is pretty much impossible..

 

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Brian, you're in that region (basically) and have a much better read then most. Whats the play here?
While you may not like Pelosi, on the subject of China she's been consistent for 30+ years- she doesn't want to see China expand and pull a complete takeover of Taiwan, which, considering the tech that it (Taiwan) produces, won't be good for the US. Taiwan relies on the US for aid and protection, and they're also terrified of China, which is why they haven't made a strong statement one way or the other, but they want to remain out from under China's thumb to whatever degree that's possible, which is good for the US.

The stance of letting China dictate terms of trade and foreign policy has left the US in its current position, with a huge trade deficit, dependence on China for myriad goods, and a hostile foreign power holding a large piece of our debt- it's either let that continue and worsen, or start letting them know we aren't going to be pushed around in the Asian region as far as our allies and alliances go.

Since Nixon normalized relations with them, no president has really stood up to China- several (like Obama and Trump) used rhetoric and ultimately useless tactics like tariffs that generally hurt our own businesses as much (in some cases more) than they hurt them. Pelosi is taking a stand- like I noted earlier, I'm not saying it's a great idea, but she's one of the few politicians to basically utter the popular lab's refrain- 'Fuck China'. Nothing much has worked before, and, if they back down (they probably aren't going to shoot down her plane...) we'll have taken a step in the right direction. This won't lead to official US recognition of Taiwan as a sovereign state, but it will show that we at least won't allow them to dictate our moves to the degree they did previously.

Say what you want about the old bat, but she ain't dumb, and- with the possible exception of Mitch McConnell- she's the best pure politician the US has. She has a goal and and endgame- whether she'll achieve them is another thing.
 
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I don't like Pelosi, there is no "may" in that, it's a certainty, it's (mostly) because of her insider trading... No one is that lucky in the market. She's making money of policy. As for most of her domestic policy, I find her to be divisive at best. People like her that are so team blue regardless of the outcome are bad for the country. Team red is the exact same. As I see people going to an extreme in any direction, even if I was at some point in favor of it, I loose respect. Politicians so far off to the right or left have no compassion.

As for her stance on China, good. On that I agree. If the strategy is to show China that we're going to do what we're going to do, then fine. Like you said, they won't shoot her down. They might fly really close, stupid games etc.

thanks for your insight, as usual you have a good read.
 

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I didn't think there was any talk from China about downing her plane. There was some random talk from the media, that any fighters that escorted her plane might be in peril. I doubt very much anything close would happen. China has been giving warnings about a military reaction that was mostly vague, but if they feel they are losing face, they will do something impression wise. The United States is only 4% of the world population. We have been able to maintain a dominate position because we had money, military and friends. That ratio has been changing globally and military and nuclear growth around the world has been substantial. If you link that with the number of countries that are against seeing us succeed, we are reduced to an all or nothing if we get into "it" on a global scale. The 4% has also been getting weaker in resolve and fractured socially, another limit.

Biden said he told her not to go. Did he really tell her that, or is that just mind games on who is doing what? Personally, I'm most afraid our adversaries have been setting us up. Our failed administration is a perfect storm opportunity. Honestly if Covid and supply lines can cripple us like they have, how prepared are we for big war.


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It's sad; all I see is money laundering and insider trading from her. I don't see what Brian sees anymore; I don't see a career politician that is hard on China (that's a good thing we should commend her for). I don't see her helping Americans, I don't see her helping Taiwan.

My vision is so clouded all I see is greed, grift, and corruption. Sadly, millions of lives could be jeopardized due to her actions, and I don't care finish her off. I guess this is what happens when a politician sticks around long past their expiration date, you get people who just don't give a shit. Is she worth starting ww3 over, fuck no. I'd use her mask to wipe dog shit off my shoes while she's wearing it, and I couldn't care less if the chinks ended her.

I just hope it's all worth it. Maybe she'll do something that redeems her but I'm doubtful. I'm guessing, like her trip to Ukraine, her plane comes back full of Taiwanese kickback $$$
 

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ANY war America enters it will lose. The administration is not a wartime consigliere...

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maybe instead of sending her to China we could do a prisoner exchange for the Marine being held in Russia? I don't think the basketball chick is really worth it
 
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I'm no rocket scientist but I'm pretty sure once a satellite is in orbit that's the path that it stays on
Quick Google search says that holding one in one place is pretty much impossible..
That's why the USA, China and Russia have hundreds of them.
 

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I'm still not sure which it is at this point, why we starting shit with China to prove that we won't get pushed around just to go to Taiwan.

It's been my experience that when you push on someone, they push back. Where are we going with this outside of we can go where we want.
 

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Taiwan is our eighth-largest trading partner, and the U.S. reiterated in May that Taiwan will be militarily defended in the event of an invasion by China (which is kinda provocative), and we can't send an official delegation there (not for recognition of their sovereignty, but, rather, just as part of a multi-nation visit)? Fuck that. China either calls the shots for our foreign policy or it doesn't.

We should have started shit with China several administrations ago, but no presidents (R or D) have done much in that regard, and now China is in a dominant position in the world, and we're afraid to visit an ally that we've vowed to defend...
 

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This isn't about being a 'war hawk'- it's about being a China hawk.

Trump ran on being a China hawk- his aides were China hawks- the GOP stars are all China hawks (Rubio, Cotton, Hawley, etc). The GOP is (and always was) supposedly the party of China hawks. Pelosi has been a China hawk longer than any of them (she unfurled a banner in support of the pro-democracy activists in Tiananmen Square in 1991), and, while she has a 'D' after her name, is the one saying 'Fuck China'... 🤷‍♂️

Is she a duplicitous bitch who does what she can for herself? She's a politician... That said, she's always been willing to wave her middle finger at China, and she's doing it now. Xi will saber-rattle over it, and maybe launch a few planes, but, in the end, he'll have to take the 'L'- that's a good thing, imho.
 
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