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My FN landed. Very impressed with how it's built (of course I field stripped it) and overall fit and finish. Very similar to a Geissele.

Just have to get my scope mount (Burris 1-6x RT6), and see if I was smart enough to stash a few Surefire 3-Tine Warcomps after the last shop order. Already have other small accessories for it in my "gun stuff" tote box like fore grip, extra QD mounts, etc.

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Wrong, it is 40 in/lbs, not foot/lbs. Big difference. That equates to 3.3 ft/lbs.
They want it 40 +/- 2 in/lbs
I'd go buy a torque wrench.
Oh shoot, thanks for correcting me.
Yeah, I've got three torque wrenches and one is for 0-80 Inch/Pounds.
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Understood.

What do you guys think about oils & greases while assembling the lower?
I noticed that none of the assembly videos suggest using anything.
 
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...should have bought one those instead of a bunch of crap...

...might have been less fun...Time is Truth......be looking forward to a range report...
 
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So this is a spanner wrench that engages slots in the nut?
I see that the square drive is a few inches from the spanner end on the left.
If you're using a torque wrench you must compensate for this distance.
This distance is "A" in the below image. The value you will be looking for will be "TW", which will be less than 40 in/lbs
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From what I've read, the recommendation is to "stake" the castle nut to prevent it from loosening on its own.
I'm not gonna do that though.
 
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...I was raised to think of guns as more or less permanent objects, but they are not...

...the AR 15 illustrates this...
 

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Really? Do you not like staking? Are you going to secure the castle nut some other way?
I don't have anything against the concept.
And I may do it at some point in the future as I get used to my first rifle and want to make it a little more permanent of an install.
 

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Sat down and put it together tonight.
The forward pivot pin was funny.
It escaped, but I recaptured it and got it installed on the second try.
Everything else was fairly easy.

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These were the only tools I needed :up:
Actually, there was one other tool I forgot to include in the picture.
The castle nut wrench.
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Alla the parts
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Fake ammo to learn how to use my new rifle
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Finished
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It seems to go "click" at the appropriate times.
So, I guess that's cool.
 

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Sat down and put it together tonight.
The forward pivot pin was funny.
It escaped, but I recaptured it and got it installed on the second try.
Everything else was fairly easy.

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These were the only tools I needed :up:
Actually, there was one other tool I forgot to include in the picture.
The castle nut wrench.
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Alla the parts
View attachment 103043

Fake ammo to learn how to use my new rifle
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Finished
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It seems to go "click" at the appropriate times.
So, I guess that's cool.
Easy peasy 👍

Assembling a real AR is easier than building one out of Legos :lol:
 

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Sat down and put it together tonight.
The forward pivot pin was funny.
It escaped, but I recaptured it and got it installed on the second try.
Everything else was fairly easy.

View attachment 103041

These were the only tools I needed :up:
Actually, there was one other tool I forgot to include in the picture.
The castle nut wrench.
View attachment 103042

Alla the parts
View attachment 103043

Fake ammo to learn how to use my new rifle
View attachment 103044

Finished
View attachment 103045

It seems to go "click" at the appropriate times.
So, I guess that's cool.
You'll put your eye out with that thing!
 
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...how do you know if the head space is correct or at least within parameters...???...
 
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...mix and match BCG's until one fits...???...
 

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I've got two issues that are hopefully just my inexperience showing.

1) I can only engage the safety when it's ready to fire.
So, if I go ahead and pull the trigger (fire), now I can't engage the safety unless I pull the slide back.

2) I got snap caps (dummy rounds) to practice with. And about 10% of the time when I fire and then pull the slide back, they don't eject.
When that happens, the next round gets jammed up trying to go where the original round is still sitting.
So, I have to pull the bolt back and lock it back. Then, I have to remove the magazine and shake the original round out of the chamber.
 

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1.) Safety only engaging when rifle is cocked = normal.

2.) EDIT: I see your dummy rounds are A Zooms, made of aluminum, so those are dimensioned correctly. How are you loading the round in to the chamber? Manually inserting it and then releasing the bolt or loading them in to the mag, inserting the mag and then releasing the bolt?
 
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Thanks!

1.) Safety only engaging when rifle is cocked = normal.
How weird. I'd think you would want to be able to engage the safety at a moments notice without needing to fumble with the rifle first.

2.) Your dummy rounds, are they plastic or metal?
Aluminum

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I think you're saying the dummy isn't being extracted, correct?
Yup, the dummy sometimes remains in the chamber when I manually rack the bolt.

I read a couple reviews from others with the same issue but the majority of reviews are positive.
Maybe I should take it all apart and oil it up?
 
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Ok, how are you loading that first round in to the chamber? Manually inserting it by hand and then releasing the bolt or loading them in to the mag, inserting the mag in to the gun and then releasing the bolt?

Also, backing up a bit....did you clean the chamber or bore of the barrel when you received the gun? I've seen some manufacturers leave a heavy coating of thick lubricant when they're built and shipped out. That needs to be cleaned out with a chamber brush and some solvent or CLP if present.
 

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Also, backing up a bit....did you clean the chamber or bore of the barrel when you received the gun? I've seen some manufacturers leave a heavy coating of thick lubricant when they're built and shipped out. That needs to be cleaned out with a chamber brush and some solvent or CLP if present.
I was told that PSA stuff is ready to dump mags out of the box.
So, I didn't clean or oil anything at all.
If there is a heavy coating of lubricant, I didn't notice it.
I felt it was more dry than anything.

Ok, how are you loading that first round in to the chamber? Manually inserting it by hand and then releasing the bolt or loading them in to the mag, inserting the mag in to the gun and then releasing the bolt?
I'm inserting a loaded magazine into the rifle and then releasing the bolt.
 

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WarpSpeed WarpSpeed thanks again for the PM.
You were right, cleaning and oiling the bolt carrier group did the trick.
I just "mag dumped" all ten dummy rounds without issue. :up:

I used a $4 bottle of hoppe's for the cleaning & lube and made sure not to leave it real wet.
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WarpSpeed WarpSpeed thanks again for the PM.
You were right, cleaning and oiling the bolt carrier group did the trick.
I just "mag dumped" all ten dummy rounds without issue. :up:
I used a $4 bottle of hoppe's for the cleaning & lube and made sure not to leave it real wet.
Great!

If you read the owners manuals, manufacturers often state that the guns are treated with an anti-corrosion solution, not a true lubricant, and the guns should be cleaned and lubed before use. At this point, I break down every gun I buy and clean/lube before taking it to the range for the first time. Just 5 minutes provides good peace of mind.
 
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...yeah, my AR 10 would not even run before we did that...it was embearasking...
 

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Owners manual?!
I didn't even get a freaking PSA sticker to put on my toolbox :roll:
1) I can only engage the safety when it's ready to fire.
So, if I go ahead and pull the trigger (fire), now I can't engage the safety unless I pull the slide back.
Random video actually talking about this.
He says it's called "Rack Safe".
Click to open video in new window - I set it to play right where I'm talking about.


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Cool pic of the failure-to-eject I was experiencing before I oiled the BCG.

I talked to a Cousin today who turned out to be a gun fanatic.
Had no idea all these years.
He said I probably wouldn't have had this problem if I'd been using real ammo.
Because the gasses would have forced it all to work properly.
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The gases would've prevented a failure to extract?
He suggested that the force of the gases might have worked to help the extaction.
That maybe I was manually sliding the rack too slowly.
I'm paraphrasing because I'm still learning all this shit and can't remember his exact wording.
 
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...they are going ape shit with the shootings...WTF...?!?...better buy some more stuff before the carriers all get woke...UPS is already there today...

...it looks like the extractor might not be grasping the rim all the way all the tyme...
 
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...now I am presevrating over 16" A2 vs 18" HBAR CHR...in 5.56 NATO...
 
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...the 16" pencil barrel one I was looking at sold out...if I keep thinking this over long enough the others will too... :bigsmile::up:
 
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...I wanted a light carbine sort of thing along the lines of what stoner had in mine all along...that complete upper was 3.1 lbs....

...I have the 18" 223 Wyld upper with 416 stainless A2 barrel...it is probably not much heavier that the 16" A2 upper I am looking at...I wish the 223 Wyld one was HBAR...

...not sure how I feel aboot chromed bores...the one in question is an FN and supposed to be reasonably accurate...

...the cheap 16" upper has a nickle boron plated BCG and a 4150 steel barrel...

...I was looking at an expensive one with a 14.7" barrel with welded/pined flash hider @ 16" oal with the FN chrome lined barrel...decided against that one...
 
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...I wanted a light carbine sort of thing along the lines of what stoner had in mine all along...that complete upper was 3.1 lbs....

...I have the 18" 223 Wyld upper with 416 stainless A2 barrel...it is probably not much heavier that the 16" A2 upper I am looking at...I wish the 223 Wyld one was HBAR...

...not sure how I feel aboot chromed bores...the one in question is an FN and supposed to be reasonably accurate...

...the cheap 16" upper has a nickle boron plated BCG and a 4150 steel barrel...

...I was looking at an expensive one with a 14.7" barrel with welded/pined flash hider @ 16" oal with the FN chrome lined barrel...decided against that one...
Probably the last day to save with their 4th of July sales.
 

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I'm going nuts trying to find a slim/small backpack or sling pack to fit a broken down AR with 16" upper (~24.5" length) on my motorcycle.
At least, something under $100.

Starting to look at archery packs now.
 

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Tons of them at pawn shops, gun shows. I buy them pretty cheap most of the time. Maybe look for a case that fits a double barrel shotgun as well since it will have two pockets.
 
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