...no one is buying it...Uvalde chief is out...

[Wretch]

We have the police force that we as a society demanded, all the dudes that want to be the first thru the door to incinerate that piece of shit without regard for their own lives have all been pushed out of the profession, replaced by cowards. Our streets are policed by the lowest common denominator in American society, the badge is their only escalator.

It's exactly as you say and it isn't just in policing where the lack of commitment to quality shows.
John Cleese nailed it on there only being maybe 12% in any field being worth a fuck and the rest are just going through the motions so they can draw a paycheck.

Bottom line is that we need more door kicking bad asses back on the job.

Don't want to wait on the pendulum to swing back that way.

 

[Qwik]

And let’s not forget the Supreme Court decision stating that police officers do not have a duty to protect the general public.

 

[Vegas12]

I think you're getting too hung up on what "active shooter" means in the context of LEO training and response. The active shooting had already begun. Whether or not the gunfire abated for the moment doesn't matter. Cops took fire, doesn't get more active than that. They then retreated back down the hallway and sat around for another 40 something minutes while kids bled out.

I'll accept your wording.....more so than the deposed chief who made the different call.

I would just have to be sure that charging in would not have cost more lives.

 

[Stetson]

I would just have to be sure that charging in would not have cost more lives.

That's what most rational, reasonable people would want to do, which is why we had to go through the training to change that thought process and instead charge in there and hope for the best. You can't be sure there won't be more caualties. And that has been, generally speaking, the standardized training doctrine for the last 20 years, or 2/3rds of that school police chief's 29 year career.

 

[Hapo]

...he's milking it, Stetson...I'm gonna go puke...

 

[Vegas12]

....I'm gonna go puke...

Bad batch???

 

[Vegas12]

That's what most rational, reasonable people would want to do, which is why we had to go through the training to change that thought process and instead charge in there and hope for the best. You can't be sure there won't be more caualties. And that has been, generally speaking, the standardized training doctrine for the last 20 years, or 2/3rds of that school police chief's 29 year career.

Thanks for that....

20 years in FD/EMS and the 1st thing always was scene safety simply because a dead 1st responder was of no use.....Freelancing was grounds for termination at worst.

The fired chief did tell a story at one point that matches your SOP....but threw in a part about keys.

Waiting for keys, unable to break down doors: Uvalde schools police chief defends delay in confronting gunman

Criticized by law enforcement experts for slowness in taking out the shooter, Pete Arredondo described an agonizing wait for a key that would work. In an interview with The Texas Tribune, he said he hadn’t spoken out sooner because he didn’t want to compound his hometown’s grief or point blame.

www.texastribune.org

The problem I've had from the beginning are the ever changing stories....and whom to believe.

 

[Dragon 350]

I'm pretty sure a 12ga qualifies as "keys".

This was a complete failure on law enforcement!

Those that say, "you wouldn't go in", you don't know that, all you know is you wouldn't.

A job needs to be done now, I'm not the guy for the job but I'm the guy standing there.

 

[Busa 1 Dave]

...he's milking it, Stetson...I'm gonna go puke...

Stop smoking the bad weed then!

 

[Hapo]

 

[fish_antlers]

It's exactly as you say and it isn't just in policing where the lack of commitment to quality shows.
John Cleese nailed it on there only being maybe 12% in any field being worth a fuck and the rest are just going through the motions so they can draw a paycheck.

Bottom line is that we need more door kicking bad asses back on the job.

Don't want to wait on the pendulum to swing back that way.

Link to John cleese quote?

 

[Ninjaman12R]

Link to John cleese quote?

https://www.google.com/

 

[fish_antlers]

https://www.google.com/

Tried that already. Post a link to the quote.

 

[hagrid]

He said it during an interview. Wretch is silly and polyamorous but I'll back him up on this one.

 

[fish_antlers]

He said it during an interview. Wretch is silly and polyamorous but I'll back him up on this one.

I don't doubt it, but it doesn't google up, so someone please post a link.

 

[Wretch]

Thanks for that....

20 years in FD/EMS and the 1st thing always was scene safety simply because a dead 1st responder was of no use.....Freelancing was grounds for termination at worst.

The fired chief did tell a story at one point that matches your SOP....but threw in a part about keys.

Waiting for keys, unable to break down doors: Uvalde schools police chief defends delay in confronting gunman

Criticized by law enforcement experts for slowness in taking out the shooter, Pete Arredondo described an agonizing wait for a key that would work. In an interview with The Texas Tribune, he said he hadn’t spoken out sooner because he didn’t want to compound his hometown’s grief or point blame.

www.texastribune.org

The problem I've had from the beginning are the ever changing stories....and whom to believe.

It's the Era of CYA, turned up to eleven.

 

[tinhead]

The phrase "learned helplessness" should be applied to the pig response here.

 

[Anal Disco]

This is what these woke agendas get us. Police leadership who is more concerned with public perception than they are about lives of 4th graders. Some of the stories coming out, if true, are completely unacceptable.

Uvalde is, presumably, a Republican town in a Republican state with a Republican police chief and a Republican mayor.

Presumably the police also vote overwhelmingly Republican and I'm sure more than a few have one of those "Thin Blue Line" stickers on their truck.

In other words, the police force in a small conservative town is the last place any sort of woke shit would be found.

So how does the woke agenda fit in here?

 

[hagrid]

Police department policy woke-ified to comply with insurance carrier mandates.

 

[CID]

What would John Rambo do?

 

[Vegas12]

So how does the woke agenda fit in here?

Ummm.....the shooter??

 

[Vicious_Cycle]

Uvalde is, presumably, a Republican town in a Republican state with a Republican police chief and a Republican mayor.

Presumably the police also vote overwhelmingly Republican and I'm sure more than a few have one of those "Thin Blue Line" stickers on their truck.

In other words, the police force in a small conservative town is the last place any sort of woke shit would be found.

So how does the woke agenda fit in here?

Sen. Roland Gutierrez, the Democrat who represents Uvalde, pressed McCraw on whether Texans under 21 should be able to purchase a rifle like the one the shooter used.

.

 

[braindead_organdonor]

I've never heard the John Cleese theory, always heard a slightly higher figure that only 20% of people are good at their jobs. In larger places that seems pretty accurate, especially management.

 

[Anal Disco]

.

Fair enough, they have a Democrat in the mix.

I'm still wondering how the woke agenda fits in here.

 

[A23]

Why the fuck would a town with a population of 16,000... need a six person school police force?

And why would the officers on site defer to the head of a school police dept.?

 

[braindead_organdonor]

They probably have at least 3 schools and an administration building...6 officers not out of line.

 

[A23]

They probably have at least 3 schools and an administration building...6 officers not out of line.

Ruben looks like the only one worth a shit...

 

[NORTY]

When you hear gun shots, you friggin' GO.

You don't wait for swat, or a "superior" officer. You friggin' go.

Never thought I'd see this in Texas. The pussification is a problem.

*No pussies were ruined in the creation of this post.

(Better luck, next time!)

 

[BIggerDanno]

Seems to me that 6 sheriff's officers should be enough in that small of town. I've seen 3 in towns of 10,000, irregardless of the number of schools (usually 1 or 2).