thanks, I respect your opinion but these are just to keep in the night stand next to the bed in a couple of different homes. They will not be something that is taken out to the range every week. For their intended purpose and especially for the intended shooter, I think they will do fine. Better that nothing...You really should ask before you buy bro, I would put all three neatly back in their boxes, head down to the local gun store tomorrow and trade them in on something infinitely more usable. Check your other thread.