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Changing tires......

I know some of you are skilled and patient enough to do it by hand, and I applaud you for that. I've got irons, and have got a few dirt tires, and some lawnmower tires under my belt. Enough to know I'm not one of those cats that can make it "look easy". I cuss and sweat a lot, and hate doing it.

Local shops have always been sort of hit or miss on mounting tires if you purchase the tires elsewhere. You pay an inflated price, but still come out cheaper in the long run. Now "due to staffing shortages" or the inability to find anyone that will actually work and get their hands dirty, I'm back to $100 to get 2 tires mounted and balanced. Not only that, with my schedule it is 2 trips to the dealership, one to drop the wheels and tires off, and one to pick them up. All of which has me scratching my head again, and thinking about getting a machine and a static balancer.

I hate to give up the floor space for it in my shop, but my shop is 1200 sqft. so I can probably move some shit around and locate it in a good spot.

I don't need a top of the line rig, just something solid enough to handle my needs and maybe the odd tire or two for someone I know that doesn't want to get raped at the dealership.

For now, I'm looking at a Weaver unit, W-M807X, and I think it would be more than enough to do what I want. With taxes it'll be right at $1900.

Any of you guys have that machine? Used one, saw it in action?

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That looks suspiciously like this one....$1395.00 + tax.


No doubt, several companies bringing them in from Chyna and branding them as their own...
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That looks suspiciously like this one....$1395.00 + tax.


No doubt, several companies bringing them in from Chyna and branding them as their own...
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Yeah, probably so. The one you linked is set up for cars, so you have to buy the mc adapters, and extra $ for delivery, other than that there are only minor differences. Both have a 1 year warranty.
 

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Once you get a real tyre machine, you'll see why it was worth the money. This is my six inch lawn mower wheel. Had to space the jaws in a bit to grab it. Took seconds to change the tyre. Wrestling with it on the floor, probably would have given up. I can do car tryes on it too. Sometymes you need a bit of boost to bead them up.127768127769
 
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Once you get a real tyre machine, you'll see why it was worth the money. This is my six inch lawn mower wheel. Had to space the jaws in a bit to grab it. Took seconds to change the tyre. Wrestling with it on the floor, probably would have given up. I can do car tryes on it too. Sometymes you need a bit of boost to bead them up.View attachment 127768View attachment 127769
Someday, when I'm mentally recovered from it, I'll go on an epic rant about the orphaned Cub Cadet lawnmower my brother pawned off on me. Spoiler alert, it involves a rear tire change...πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«
 

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I bought one from Derek Weaver about 11 years ago and mine is still going strong. I have had to do one repair to it in that time frame. It has all the plastic bushings everywhere where metal could contact the rim. I am super happy with it and I can change a pair of slicks on and off in under 5 minutes. Over the years I have done a lot so I have gotten pretty decent at changing them. Pull the trigger man, you won't regret it.

Also the customer service at DW is really great.
 
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I bought one from Derek Weaver about 11 years ago and mine is still going strong. I have had to do one repair to it in that time frame. It has all the plastic bushings everywhere where metal could contact the rim. I am super happy with it and I can change a pair of slicks on and off in under 5 minutes. Over the years I have done a lot so I have gotten pretty decent at changing them. Pull the trigger man, you won't regret it.

Also the customer service at DW is really great.
My research aligns with what you're saying. I also like that all major parts are easily found on the website and available for purchase. Of course some stuff is universal, but you know what I'm talking about. Thanks for the input. πŸ‘
 

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My research aligns with what you're saying. I also like that all major parts are easily found on the website and available for purchase. Of course some stuff is universal, but you know what I'm talking about. Thanks for the input. πŸ‘
I have also been able to done 35 inch truck tires on mine and atv/rzr tires. It excels on the smaller tires for sure. It did fine on truck tires but it was definitely harder to brake the bead on those. Car tires are a breeze.
 
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They are a bitch to change.
Yeah, and if you buy a fucking tire from Amazon that has banding material to sandwich the tire together, guess what you get to do AFTER you fight for hours to get the sonofabitch on! You get to cuss even more because it won't bead up! I tried rachet straps, starting fluid and a lighter, everything I could think of, no go. So the NEXT DAY I take it to a shop that has a bead blaster, they fucked with it for 45 minutes and gave up. They told me you're going to have to put a tube in it, sorry. πŸ˜‘πŸ’£πŸ˜‘πŸ’£ OH, and they didn't stock anything like that. So I paid them for trying and ordered a tube from Amazon, because I hadn't learned enough already!

The motherfucker is now on, holding air, but that wheel though.......it's got LOTS of character! By character I mean it looks like shit, it took a beating. Yeah, I could have painted it, but I'd be another dollar or two into it......so fuck that wheel! (the old mower has been solid once I got the carb sorted πŸ˜€)
 
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I have also been able to done 35 inch truck tires on mine and atv/rzr tires. It excels on the smaller tires for sure. It did fine on truck tires but it was definitely harder to brake the bead on those. Car tires are a breeze.
I probably would never do car tires, but maybe trailer tires? I don't have a way to balance the car/truck tires that I'd trust. All I have is my grandpa's old bubble balancer, which I'm sure would be fine for trailer tires. That MF is OLD!
 

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Yeah, and if you buy a fucking tire from Amazon that has banding material to sandwich the tire together, guess what you get to do AFTER you fight for hours to get the sonofabitch on! You get to cuss even more because it won't bead up! I tried rachet straps, starting fluid and a lighter, everything I could think of, no go. So the NEXT DAY I take it to a shop that has a bead blaster, they fucked with it for 45 minutes and gave up. They told me you're going to have to put a tube in it, sorry. πŸ˜‘πŸ’£πŸ˜‘πŸ’£ OH, and they didn't stock anything like that. So I paid them for trying and ordered a tube from Amazon, because I hadn't learned enough already!

The motherfucker is now on, holding air, but that wheel though.......it's got LOTS of character! By character I mean it looks like shit, it took a beating. Yeah, I could have painted it, but I'd be another dollar or two into it......so fuck that wheel! (the old mower has been solid once I got the carb sorted πŸ˜€)
That is why I used a blow gun to help bead the tyre. Take the core out of the stem, make up a hose thing like I did. Safety wire or clamp the hose to the blowgun and stem. Then I used a chunk of velcro wrap to hold the blow gun WFO. You have to be careful not to explode the tyre when doing it. Got me both first shot. Otherwise, stuff the tryes with what ever, and let them sit in the sun a few days. Hoping they will keep the expanded shape long enough to get them on.
 
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That is why I used a blow gun to help bead the tyre. Take the core out of the stem, make up a hose thing like I did. Safety wire or clamp the hose to the blowgun and stem. Then I used a chunk of velcro wrap to hold the blow gun WFO. You have to be careful not to explode the tyre when doing it. Got me both first shot. Otherwise, stuff the tryes with what ever, and let them sit in the sun a few days. Hoping they will keep the expanded shape long enough to get them on.
I will definitely make a note of that! When I got the tire I couldn't believe they did that. I did put it in the sun, but never thought about stuffing it to help it get back into the proper shape.
 
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MC, it appears you've got the same ancient portable tank that I've got. I think I bought that thing in '88 or '89 😳

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Yeah, and if you buy a fucking tire from Amazon that has banding material to sandwich the tire together, guess what you get to do AFTER you fight for hours to get the sonofabitch on! You get to cuss even more because it won't bead up! I tried rachet straps, starting fluid and a lighter, everything I could think of, no go. So the NEXT DAY I take it to a shop that has a bead blaster, they fucked with it for 45 minutes and gave up. They told me you're going to have to put a tube in it, sorry. πŸ˜‘πŸ’£πŸ˜‘πŸ’£ OH, and they didn't stock anything like that. So I paid them for trying and ordered a tube from Amazon, because I hadn't learned enough already!

The motherfucker is now on, holding air, but that wheel though.......it's got LOTS of character! By character I mean it looks like shit, it took a beating. Yeah, I could have painted it, but I'd be another dollar or two into it......so fuck that wheel! (the old mower has been solid once I got the carb sorted πŸ˜€)
Do you have a standard oxygen/accetelyn roach? If so, just pump stubborn tire full of accetelyn and throw a match at it! Boom tire fully seated :)
 
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Do you have a standard oxygen/accetelyn roach? If so, just pump stubborn tire full of accetelyn and throw a match at it! Boom tire fully seated :)
I saw a fairly small balloon get filled with accetelyn once, then placed under a sheet of stainless that was hanging off the shop table. When the guy who was about to cut the sheet up came back and fired up the plasma cutter, I was not prepared for the violent nature of what happened.

So no, no thank you....πŸ˜†
 
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Made mind. If you look at to close, you'll see. Has an aluminum pipe on it.
My blind ass just caught that, good setup! If I do anymore janky assed mower tires I need that setup! Maybe I'll take that 60 gallon tank that I was going to make a receiver out of and do it πŸ˜€. Probably not.....lol
 

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That is why I used a blow gun to help bead the tyre. Take the core out of the stem, make up a hose thing like I did. Safety wire or clamp the hose to the blowgun and stem. Then I used a chunk of velcro wrap to hold the blow gun WFO. You have to be careful not to explode the tyre when doing it. Got me both first shot. Otherwise, stuff the tryes with what ever, and let them sit in the sun a few days. Hoping they will keep the expanded shape long enough to get them on.
I like the explosive action of starting fluid on stubborn tire...lol Gets it nice & toasty too.
 

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I saw a fairly small balloon get filled with accetelyn once, then placed under a sheet of stainless that was hanging off the shop table. When the guy who was about to cut the sheet up came back and fired up the plasma cutter, I was not prepared for the violent nature of what happened.

So no, no thank you....πŸ˜†
We would take a small lightbulb and break the glass, hook wires to it. Stick it in a ziplock bag and fill it with gas from a torch. Hide the bag someplace and use a battery to light up the bulb. Would make quite the bang! One of the guys put one behind the toilet once, that was a big mistake, blew the toilet off the floor with a guy sitting on it.
 

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I worked at one shop that had a cheap one. It ended up needing some parts so that turned into another identical cheap one showing up in a crate.

That was when they were $1000...looks like the price of admission is higher now, plus $250 for the motorcycle wheel adapters.

FWIW.
 
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Bought 2 pizzas for local service guys at my KTM dealership a few years back - cost $35.
If I bring my wheels in, they change and balance them in 10 minutes - cost $0.
That's awesome, I wish I had it like that!

I've had a few decent hook-ups here and there over the years (for tires damn it...πŸ˜€) but at the moment none.

I've been at this crossroad before, and am weighing out the pros and cons.

I like the machine I mentioned, the one like Stites Stites has. I don't think the pricing is too horrible all things considered.
 
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Tell him!! Starting fluid ain't got nothing on accetelyn!! I used to pump 4 wheeler combo up and sneak up behind co worker and set it off. Often times co worker jumped up faster than the tire combo
If'n you get kilt by shrapnel, I'll know the rest! Dangerous MF! πŸ˜†

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I've never seen this done, no doubt it works. But with my luck I'd turn my shop into "Little Hiroshima", and though it might make for a cool story if I lived, I better leave it alone. Plus I'm too goddamned big to pass for being Japanese.....πŸ˜€
 
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That's awesome, I wish I had it like that!

I've had a few decent hook-ups here and there over the years (for tires damn it...πŸ˜€) but at the moment none.

I've been at this crossroad before, and am weighing out the pros and cons.

I like the machine I mentioned, the one like Stites Stites has. I don't think the pricing is too horrible all things considered.
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Something to consider is....that machine you're looking at will do cars AND bikes. Not just bikes.

It might be too lightweight for a professional tire shop, but it'll last you the rest of your life. :wink2:
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All I ever worked on were manual tire changers back in the '60s and '70s at gas stations I would work at. Easy to use for the old flexible tires back then.

Later, I got to use Coats manual motorcycle tire machines (220 I think)...they were just as easy to use.

I wouldn't want a powered machine just because I've seen guys complaining about a shop turning their wheel into a taco shell. :frown:

But that's just me....because that's all I'm used to.

EDIT: Yep, it was a 220 I used at a couple bike shops. Here's one for sale in MD, along with a static spin balancer. $725.00


 
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Something to consider is....that machine you're looking at will do cars AND bikes. Not just bikes.

It might be too lightweight for a professional tire shop, but it'll last you the rest of your life. :wink2:
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I know I wouldn't use this as much as I use my lift table. But I mulled over that for a while too. Now they are over $1k more than what I paid for mine, and I'd still tell someone that was on the fence, just do it. Everytime you use it, you'll be thankful that you have it. I use mine all of the time, mowers, bikes, bbq grills πŸ˜€, it doesn't matter. It's a big work table if need be..

So knowing that, and what Scott and others have said above, plus this from you, has me leaning hard that way.
 
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All I ever worked on were manual tire changers back in the '60s and '70s at gas stations I would work at. Easy to use for the old flexible tires back then.

Later, I got to use Coats manual motorcycle tire machines (220 I think)...they were just as easy to use.

I wouldn't want a powered machine just because I've seen guys complaining about a shop turning their wheel into a taco shell. :frown:

But that's just me....because that's all I'm used to.
I've been watching videos on the YouTube to polish up, because like most guys I've seen it done a million times, but doing it will take some cautious practice. (If I spend the $$$)
 

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Bought 2 pizzas for local service guys at my KTM dealership a few years back - cost $35.
If I bring my wheels in, they change and balance them in 10 minutes - cost $0.

That ain't happening here.. or back up in NYC..

I'm still waiting on a part since Oct. It MAY come in June. Once in the bike is for sale or traded in..


I had a wiring issue bike went to the dealer three times .. finally a tech from KTM came and got the bike to recognize the key fab. Oh the joy of that one.


Sorry but I can't endorse KTM.
 

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Back when everyone had a Honda Nighthawk motorcycle with shaft drive, I could do a rear tyre on one in less than eight minutes. That was taking the wheel off the thing, mount and balance tyre, get it back on and bolted tight.

When using starting fluid or the torch setup to seat a tyre, I used a MAPP torch to light it. That way my hand was away from the thing. Trying to flick a match into it didn't work because the matches were always too damp to light.
 

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Bought 2 pizzas for local service guys at my KTM dealership a few years back - cost $35.
If I bring my wheels in, they change and balance them in 10 minutes - cost $0.
We had some good, long tyme customers that would just bring in the wheel for a new tyre, they'd usually get a freebie. Unless it was a fucking filthy rotted dyrt bike wheel.
 

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Tell him!! Starting fluid ain't got nothing on accetelyn!! I used to pump 4 wheeler combo up and sneak up behind co worker and set it off. Often times co worker jumped up faster than the tire combo
of course... but unless you are sweating metal or other types of metal plumbing those types of tanks wouldn't be hanging around.
 

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Bigger please, every shop I ever worked at had a set, including my house. The new gay ass lifestyle motorcycle shops probably do not.
key word here SHOP. As in paid professionals open for business to the public. Not a private garage. If I needed some oxy I can borrow the tanks of my HVAC contractor neighbor. But popping a tire on... not worth the cost of the favor.
 

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Set up kid at my last shop got a surprise when changing a filthy, rotted ATV tire.

He couldn't get the bead to break down, so someone yelled at him to use some heat to heat the rim up and make it more pliable.

Lazy kid took a Bernzomatic bottle and propped it up on the rim pointing at one section of metal. He was leaning on the machine when the tire blew. He didn't know it was full of liquid Fixaflat.

It blew ceiling panels out of the ceiling 20 feet up, and he was deaf for the rest of the day! πŸ˜†
 
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