How's julian assange doing?

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You guys (Brits) gonna keep him or give him over to Trump so he can reward him
for exposing Hillary's treasonous ways?
You just said a mouthful!

and in other sweet news...
...the real fireworks begin when AG Barr releases the redacted version to Congress...

and Trump WILL give the OK to release the complete un-redacted version to We The People...

Then We will know all the R's and D's who are living large in the swamp...


Please pray for Trump
 
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You guys (Brits) gonna keep him or give him over to Trump so he can reward him
for exposing Hillary's treasonous ways?
that is a possibility (after he has served his u.k. sentence) that he could be extradited to the u.s.

trump is dumb enough to grant him a pardon, and if he did, the shit would hit the fan bigly!
 
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Since they got trumpy elected, the Russians have no more use for Assange so they stopped funding his stay in the embassy. Now brexit has him, figger 2021 before anything like a trial happens. I wonder if Julian still thinks being a front for Russian espionage agencies is a good idea.
 
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Man, his time in the embassy sure put some miles on Assange- he looked like Saddam Hussein when they pulled him out of the rathole. He's only 47, but appeared to be closer to 70.
 
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I was watching without sound and thought they were evacuating a retirement home.
 
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I remember when the left used to LOVE freedom of the press and would rail against the 'man'. But when they finally got a hold of the country through the deep state employee system and people found out that they are just as war mongering money laundering as the right wing hawks, they became government protectors. Now, when people like assange start running around throwing out so-called "state secrets" to show how truly corrupt an entire system can be, they lose their minds. We're too busy trying to protect political heads that we don't even remember what the actual shit was he released.
 
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just another example of bad immigration policy.7 years to deport for one guy and the illegals by the millions over here think our system is quicker?:D
 
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Remind me again how the right reacted to chelsea handler
chelsea MANNING was/is a traitor. You don't release the keys that are entrusted to you to anonymous people. Whistle leaking info while being covert as MANNING did, is a cowards way.
Receiving then Publishing information as a free individual acting as a press agent is a different story. (enter assange -- aside some 20th century journalistic ethic interpretation of what SHOULD or should not be public)

Snowden another type of combination of traitor and coward. Instead of coming out and blowing the whistle on what is clearly an unconstitutional action of surveillance by the cia on american citizens... he stayed within the system working his job AND being the lone decider of what was/is wrong then leaked info to unsecured sources. That's called spying, not whistle blowing. While his intent seems to be noble in cause the actions of how he went about it makes them both cowards and put American lives in danger. Manning in particular is/was a straight out traitor as far as I'm concerned.

The method of which justice is enacted makes just as much a difference in a free world as the crime of which is being adjudicated.
 
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chelsea MANNING was/is a traitor. You don't release the keys that are entrusted to you to anonymous people. Whistle leaking info while being covert as MANNING did, is a cowards way.
Receiving then Publishing information as a free individual acting as a press agent is a different story. (enter assange -- aside some 20th century journalistic ethic interpretation of what SHOULD or should not be public)

Snowden another type of combination of traitor and coward. Instead of coming out and blowing the whistle on what is clearly an unconstitutional action of surveillance by the cia on american citizens... he stayed within the system working his job AND being the lone decider of what was/is wrong then leaked info to unsecured sources. That's called spying, not whistle blowing. While his intent seems to be noble in cause the actions of how he went about it makes them both cowards and put American lives in danger. Manning in particular is/was a straight out traitor as far as I'm concerned.

The method of which justice is enacted makes just as much a difference in a free world as the crime of which is being adjudicated.
You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

You're a traitor if you SOURCED the information, but a hero if you PUBLISH it.

The level of mental gymnastics to achieve that unbelievably convoluted conclusion is some Olympic level shit. :smashtard:
 
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You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

You're a traitor if you SOURCED the information, but a hero if you PUBLISH it.

The level of mental gymnastics to achieve that unbelievably convoluted conclusion is some Olympic level shit. :smashtard:
I don't believe I ever used the term "hero" in any context and explained why. Like it or not publishing is a constitutional right of freedom of press unlike your example of "sourcing" while being an employee of an organization.

Media Freedom And National Security
In 1971, United States military analyst Daniel Ellsberg gave copies of classified documents to The New York Times. The documents, which would become known as the Pentagon Papers, detailed a top-secret Department of Defense study of U.S. political and military involvement in Vietnam from 1945 to 1967.

The Pentagon Papers exposed government knowledge that the war would cost more lives than the public had been told and revealed that the presidential administrations of Harry Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson all had misled the public about the degree of U.S. involvement in Vietnam.

The government obtained a court order preventing The New York Times from publishing more excerpts from the papers, arguing that the published materials were a national security threat. A few weeks later, the U.S. government sought to block publication of the papers in the Washington Postas well, but the courts refused this time.


In the New York Times Co. v. United States, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the newspapers, making it possible for The New York Times and Washington Post to publish the contents of the Pentagon Papers without risk of further government censorship.

Always happy to help little socialists learn about freedom, you're welcome. :)
 
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I don't believe I ever used the term "hero" in any context and explained why. Like it or not publishing is a constitutional right of freedom of press unlike your example of "sourcing" while being an employee of an organization.
You have a double standard to those who publish confidential government information. And no, I'm not referring to what is legal or not. They are both acting in tandem with the same goal - holding them to different standards is ludicrous.

Either they are both traitors or not.
 
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You have a double standard to those who publish confidential government information. And no, I'm not referring to what is legal or not. They are both acting in tandem with the same goal - holding them to different standards is ludicrous.

Either they are both traitors or not.
both who? wtf are you talking about There is no double standard here. Manning leaked troop asset and movement logistics during war time which the supreme court has ruled not protected press. and he did it while in the military and in uniform --TRAITOR. Snowden a civilian contractor leaked method of surveillance on US citizens. traitor. Assange isn't even a fuckin citizen of the US so unless he had his hands IN the cookie jar getting the info then he's not culpable in ANYTHING like being a 'traitor'. Instead of your usual fly by condemnation of people HERE how about you take a stance on something of value and explain it since nobody can read your mind.
 
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both who? wtf are you talking about
I made my point very clearly.

Both as in Manning and Assange or Snowden and Assange.

Both pairs sought to disseminate classified US Gov information.

Yet, one is acting in a traitorous manner, the other is not.

What about that is confusing?

This is a double standard, period. I suspect your sympathy has something to do with the fact that Wikileaks fucked over the Clinton campaign.

so unless he had his hands IN the cookie jar getting the info then he's not culpable in ANYTHING like being a 'traitor'.
Why do you think he's being extradited to the US in the first place?

He's being charged in relation to getting the info so YES, he IS culpable in something like being a 'traitor'.
 
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He wouldn't be a traitor. Just a plain old spy, seems to me.

And not for nothing, but someone needs to tell that Manning character that his bright red lipstick is the wrong shade for him. He looks like The Joker.
 
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Yet, one is acting in a traitorous manner, the other is not.
Do you think about what you are saying? or do you just like to come up with this kind of argument to make noise ....

This argument is absurd on so many levels...
 

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Assange is an opportunist. Some of the stuff he released did put light on the cockroaches, and some of it compromised the safety of people. You don't get to have it both ways. That said, in regard to him busting the CIA for spying on EVERY FUCKING THING, how can anyone really be surprised. The fact that they lied to congress, bad, they should face the music on that. As for him being a traitor, he's not a US citizen so I don't really see that fitting him. As mentioned earlier he is most likely guilt of espionage and or theft in relation to it. As far as Manning goes, of the bad calls Obama made that one was a fucking doozy. Yes some of the stuff Manning released through Assange pissed off the cockroaches. but I think the larger portion endangered lives and ultimately hurt the US in its ability to surveil the real bad guys. Manning should have served his entire term.
 

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Why do you think he's being extradited to the US in the first place?

He's being charged in relation to getting the info so YES, he IS culpable in something like being a 'traitor'.
Well I 'd guess the REAL reason he's being extradited (if we will ever really know) is to answer some questions about who started the fake dossier and/or who actually gave him all of the unsecured info Clinton had stored ILLEGALLY but NOT a crime.
Or as I've already said.. maybe he had his actual hand in the cookie jar. I don't know.. ether way he's still not a traitor in the context I've already explained to you.

Charged in relation to getting the info. If only that were an actual crime.

You're under arrest! "for what"? "For receiving stolen government info." :lol:

Here's another example of a supposed "crime" in relation to info:
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how THAT work for ya? :eyepopping1a::eyepopping1a::eyepopping1a::lol::lol::lol::fu::fu::fu:
 

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Heck let's charge the WORLD with something then do the investigation. I'm sure we're ALL guilty of info we shouldn't have. :yahoo:


AOC KNOWS there's info out there that's a crime, but can't yet figure out what it may be since there's so much, so we gotta do an investigation to see if there's a crime.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said there are “so many” reasons to impeach President Trump in an interview with Yahoo News’ “Skullduggery” podcast on Sunday evening. The congresswoman also indicated she is likely to sign on to a resolution introduced by Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., last month that calls for Congress to begin an investigation into whether Trump has committed impeachable offenses.

“There’s just so much. ... I can’t even,” (((.....think about what there may be since there is nothing the actual investigation came up with BUT.....))) she said. “There’s just so much.”
You should run for congress Anal -- you've got some sound peers already there buddy! :up:

It always stems back to this socialist idea that you're guilty until PROVEN innocent when you go against the collective beehive mind of theirs.
Frank Montoya, a former senior FBI official with extensive experience in counterintelligence investigations, said the words "did not establish" are commonly used in national security cases as language merely ruling out a chargeable offense.

"It doesn't mean a subject is innocent. It means investigators didn't find enough evidence to charge a crime," Montoya said.
So the new definition of innocent means that you're innocent only when you've been adjudicated by a trial where you've been charged with a crime? I don't think so.
 
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so unless he had his hands IN the cookie jar getting the info then he's not culpable in ANYTHING like being a 'traitor'.
Computer hacking charge related to obtaining classified information, so yes, he did have his hand IN THE COOKIE JAR, therefore by your statement and logic, he is SOMETHING like a traitor.

ether way he's still not a traitor in the context I've already explained to you.
WHOOPS NEVER MIND.

Hard to argue with someone that's constantly moving the goalposts like a chick.
 

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Computer hacking charge related to obtaining classified information, so yes, he did have his hand IN THE COOKIE JAR, therefore by your statement and logic, he is SOMETHING like a traitor..
Ok Mr Mincy Words Major -- So by your logic Clinton who actually IS a citizen is something LIKE a traitor as well right? She stored classified material on a machine in a closet that nobody knew about then destroyed all the material when the court asked for it. So the fact that she routed information to a server not authorized for use then lied about it AND removed evidence --- that makes her a traitor too. ...and yet, she's not been charged with a crime because of her .....as Mueller put it..... "intent".

But when a non citizen acting as press gets so called classified info and posts it all PUBLICLY... they're for SURE a traitor by your standards.

I guess we all know where your loyalties are then and obviously they are not with the Constitution.... its WITH THE MAN.
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Ok Mr Mincy Words Major -- So by your logic Clinton who actually IS a citizen is something LIKE a traitor as well right? She stored classified material on a machine in a closet that nobody knew about then destroyed all the material when the court asked for it. So the fact that she routed information to a server not authorized for use then lied about it AND removed evidence --- that makes her a traitor too. ...and yet, she's not been charged with a crime because of her .....as Mueller put it..... "intent".
You mean Comey?

I would have liked seeing charges brought against her.

Just like I would have liked seeing charges brought against Ivanka Trump, her husband, and the 5 other dumb Trump Associate dipshits who did the same thing they excoriated Clinton for. (The Republicans kept their mouths shut on that one.)


But when a non citizen acting as press gets so called classified info and posts it all PUBLICLY... they're for SURE a traitor by your standards.
I haven't said one way or another whether Manning/Snowden/Assange are traitors. I am saying that either they ALL acted against US interests or they didn't. Simple as that.

No double standard.


I guess we all know where your loyalties are then and obviously they are not with the Constitution.... its WITH THE MAN.
WITH THE MAN!

dun dun dunnnnnn

Good one :lol:
 

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I haven't said one way or another whether Manning/Snowden/Assange are traitors. I am saying that either they ALL acted against US interests or they didn't. Simple as that.

No double standard.
so then you don't have an opinion either way, or at least one you're willing to put out there. So any debate or view you offer is actually neither.
 

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so then you don't have an opinion either way, or at least one you're willing to put out there. So any debate or view you offer is actually neither.
In other words, exactly the same sophomoric cunt game he plays day after day.

Nice to see you in Austin, AD... oh, that's right- your keyboard was too busy to make it.

Cunt.

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so then you don't have an opinion either way, or at least one you're willing to put out there. So any debate or view you offer is actually neither.
I see arguments to both sides (hero vs traitor) and if I placed myself in the situation, there are some circumstances where I would have done the same thing and other circumstances where I would not have. I support Snowden leaking what he did and I can't fault the US for pursuing charges.

But what I'm not down with is the inconsistency in CIDs position. Period.
 
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In other words, exactly the same sophomoric cunt game he plays day after day.

Nice to see you in Austin, AD... oh, that's right- your keyboard was too busy to make it.

Cunt.
Where ya located? Let's grab a beer. You have a prickly personality but I doubt you're like that in person.

Re: Austin. Can't take the time off work, plus I have way too many expenses coming up to justify it. Maybe next year.
 

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...good ol' Ed...always on point...(LoL)…!!!...

...he's pretty much exactly like that in person...

...I suspect AD is also very much himself here as well...hence the punch in the face in meat space that tyme...…(grin)
 

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Receiving then Publishing information as a free individual acting as a press agent is a different story. (enter assange -- aside some 20th century journalistic ethic interpretation of what SHOULD or should not be public)
This seemed to have thrown you down some well of thought when all I was saying is that the level of deceit for a US citizen in an espionage like act rises to a different level than that of a person acting as free press receiving that information and disseminating it publicly.

I am saying that either they ALL acted against US interests or they didn't. Simple as that.
There's nothing in any post of mine that would have indicated a diversion from that very 'simple' point and yet you had to, as others have pointed out, be the cunt you are by focusing on some weird metonym fetish. Here's another simple task for ya... next time instead of objecting to the word configurations of others through passive aggressive style of debate, articulate your OWN point on what the OP posts and lets go from there.
 

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...well, the "guy" does have me rethinking some of these gender issues behind it...
 

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When the government comes after somebody for throwing out info TO THE PUBLIC they don't want seen, I tend to stand on the side of freedom of speech, press and all that Jazz. The politics of it all might piss me off depending on what was leaked, but the government's role in allowing the hack and nobody getting slammed for it pisses me off even more.
 
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