Hey Nomad, wonder what has caused the Measles outbreaks??

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What say ye? Maybe it's caused by crazy fucking anti-vaxxers?! I think that's really fucked up....tell me how I'm wrong...
 
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It's ironic that it's precisely because of vaccines that these stupid fucks are able to live long enough to propagate their bullshit.
 
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When I was about 8 years old my brother and I were sent next door where a neighbor girl my age had the measles. She passed the virus to both of us with just one little kiss each. Then we did the same thing for mumps. We all got whooping cough too, but I don't remember getting it on purpose. My mom got mumps really bad though. Nevertheless, no vaccine for me for those three, none available back then. I did get vaccinated for polio and I actually knew kids who had it and were devastated by it. I didn't get chicken pox when I was kid and it hit me hard when I was about 32. Now I fear shingles so I'll get the shingrix vaccine as soon as there's supply available.
 
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I got a flu shot a few months back and now I’m gay. On a recent trip to IKEA, I actually uttered the phrase “that rug would look fierce in the bedroom!” I’ve never used that word, other than making a gay joke. It just came out. Very organic. I’m not looking to chug a cock or anything, but who knows where this is going. Maybe my gay gene was activated by modern medicine. I’m going to go watch some straight porn, just to make sure.
 
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I got a flu shot a few months back and now I’m gay. On a recent trip to IKEA, I actually uttered the phrase “that rug would look fierce in the bedroom!” I’ve never used that word, other than making a gay joke. It just came out. Very organic. I’m not looking to chug a cock or anything, but who knows where this is going. Maybe my gay gene was activated by modern medicine. I’m going to go watch some straight porn, just to make sure.
you only need to worry if you went to the cafeteria in Ikea and rubbed the meatballs on your chin `just to see what it felt like´.

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you only need to worry if you went to the cafeteria in Ikea and rubbed the meatballs on your chin `just to see what it felt like´.

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Wait a minute... Well thanks a lot. I will never be able to enter an Ikea cafeteria ever again. I might have to stop with the Wawa meatball classics too. :ducmanic::fu:
 
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you only need to worry if you went to the cafeteria in Ikea and rubbed the meatballs on your chin `just to see what it felt like´.

:eek:
Dude... @BigHocks facebook page is littered with Swedish Meatball innuendo...wicked gay!
The queer galoot was asking the poor cafeteria peeps if they had matching wieners to go with the meatballs. After he scarfed down all the male shaped genital cuisine he went to the home furnishing isle and gushed over wall sconces and table vases. :fu::peppermintpatty::wacko3::watermelon::screama:
 
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Wait a minute... Well thanks a lot. I will never be able to enter an Ikea cafeteria ever again. I might have to stop with the Wawa meatball classics too. :ducmanic::fu:
you can still enjoy those 1000 calorie gut bombs BUT you can do so without unhinging your jaw and sliding it in & out of your mouth like some twink in a hagrid hagrid Bear pRon
 
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Dude... @BigHocks facebook page is littered with Swedish Meatball innuendo...wicked gay!
The queer galoot was asking the poor cafeteria peeps if they had matching wieners to go with the meatballs. After he scarfed down all the male shaped genital cuisine he went to the home furnishing isle and gushed over wall sconces and table vases. :fu::peppermintpatty::wacko3::watermelon::screama:
Dude, quit following me around. Can’t I just be gay by myself? :ducmanic:
 
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you can still enjoy those 1000 calorie gut bombs BUT you can do so without unhinging your jaw and sliding it in & out of your mouth like some twink in a hagrid hagrid Bear pRon
Truthfully, I have not had a meatball classic in a few years, but wait until I go to the Doghouse. I’m gonna gay the shit out of that place.:up:
 
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Pretty easy test.

Look at your nails.

Did you curl your fingers in like making a fist (promising sign of heterosexuality) or did you straighten them out like a chick (you discreetly check out mens bulges)?
 
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I still have the sign of the beast on my left shoulder. One day in like third grade, they lined us all up and gave us a monster shot right in the shoulder. Hell of a shot if it leaves a mark fifty plus years later!

If you don't want your kid vaccinated, home school the little petri dish and never let it contact living humans.
 
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Another thing I don't get is why they bother taking the sick kid to the hospital.

Like, you didn't believe in modern medicine before, why start now?
 
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Pretty easy test.

Look at your nails.

Did you curl your fingers in like making a fist (promising sign of heterosexuality) or did you straighten them out like a chick (you discreetly check out mens bulges)?
Haha! I curled my right hand and chicked it out with left. I’m telling you, I’m one maybe two showtunes away from hitting on my Dentist!

The only bulge I could imagine checking out, would be a Chris Hemsworth. That’s not even gay, he is a beautiful human... :biggrin1a::biggrin1a:
 
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I hope nomad is OK <crickets>

It would be a crying shame if he came down with measles, mumps, whooping cough, malaria, polio, rubella, or something similar. Here's hoping he comes back soon
 
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Well aside from the rush to judgement on this topic caused by sensationalized media coverage (three people infected so far?), There are some real problems with the message that the industry shills are using the media, and your predictable chicken little responses for - the selling of more product. Nothing sells stuff like fear right?

“This outbreak has put people at real risk," said Ann Thomas, public health physician at the Oregon Health Authority. "It has also raised an awareness that measles could easily make a comeback, and the only way to prevent that is to get as many people vaccinated as possible."

The CDC says one dose of the MMR vaccine is 93 percent effective, while having two doses of the vaccine is 97 percent effective.
Two small problems here:
The MMR triple shot in infants is the number one cause of Autism as proved in the Federal Vaccine injury compensation court. (let me know if you need to see that evidence again)

vaccination, even at 95% and 99% DOES NOT provide herd immunization. That is why we have seen large outbreaks in vaccinated populations. (let me know if you want to see that evidence again). The reason is, a vaccine creates an antibody response from the body that WEARS OFF over time and is not necessarily the correct strain for the moment.

Since you want to Joke about flu.. see if this makes you laugh 50-100 million dead



As you may remember from the 2010 flu panic that killed more than 3 people in northern CA, the govt had no effective response to it for MONTHS

YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN. Which means you need a healthy, well developed immune system ... which is what you get from measles, mumps and so on.
 
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Two small problems here:
The MMR triple shot in infants is the number one cause of Autism as proved in the Federal Vaccine injury compensation court. (let me know if you need to see that evidence again)
Would love to see evidence of this.
 
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OK well start with the claims that the measles had anything to do with the reduction of the disease..





Hmmmm disease fell year over year B E F O R E the vaccine was derived in 1964... Hmmmm
 
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Google it


$101 Million Award for Child with MMR Vaccine Injury

According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2017 over 3.4 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. For petitions filed in this time period, 5,589 petitions were adjudicated by the Court, and of those 3,794 were compensated. This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed, 1 individual was compensated.
So does that mean that most layers will only take egregious cases that they stand a high probability of winning?
Or does it mean that there are really very few of these cases?

I argue it doesnt matter, The fact is, MMR is conclusively linked to Autism and other serious outcomes and the mechanism (bench science) is not understood by anyone, least of all the people the produce and sell these drugs. Thats a problem. Are you willing to roll the dice and have it be your problem with your child?

I know this is just a joke to most of you and this is a troll thread, but if just one parent thinks twice about the dangers of the current vaccination program and the efforts to mandate for all, Ill will gladly tolerate it.

READ THESE LAWYERS CASES
Read Actual Federal Vaccine Court Case Compensation Decisions
 
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OK well start with the claims that the measles had anything to do with the reduction of the disease..





Hmmmm disease fell year over year B E F O R E the vaccine was derived in 1964... Hmmmm
Incidence of disease remained relatively constant - starting and ending around the 250-300 (no unit listed) mark.

The number of deaths declined, most likely due to improvements in medicine.

Your "Hmmmm disease fell year over year B E F O R E the vaccine was derived in 1964... Hmmmm" statement is incorrect.
 
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$101 Million Award for Child with MMR Vaccine Injury



So does that mean that most layers will only take egregious cases that they stand a high probability of winning?
Or does it mean that there are really very few of these cases?

I argue it doesnt matter, The fact is, MMR is conclusively linked to Autism and other serious outcomes and the mechanism (bench science) is not understood by anyone, least of all the people the produce and sell these drugs. Thats a problem. Are you willing to roll the dice and have it be your problem with your child?

I know this is just a joke to most of you and this is a troll thread, but if just one parent thinks twice about the dangers of the current vaccination program and the efforts to mandate for all, Ill will gladly tolerate it.

READ THESE LAWYERS CASES
Read Actual Federal Vaccine Court Case Compensation Decisions

None of this has anything to do with autism.

You stated there is evidence of the link between autism and vaccinations. This is not it.
 
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I still have a tiny little hole in my right arm from a pneumatic shot airgun, or whatever they call it, in boot camp 30 years ago. No idea what it was.
 
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I still have the sign of the beast on my left shoulder. One day in like third grade, they lined us all up and gave us a monster shot right in the shoulder. Hell of a shot if it leaves a mark fifty plus years later!

If you don't want your kid vaccinated, home school the little petri dish and never let it contact living humans.
Cow Pox mark for polio, Small Pox.
Polio was a sugar cube.
I have two of them scars.
Seems the Army wanted to be double sure I'd had it.
 
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I can still see my Small Pox vaccination mark on my arm. Polio was a small amount of liquid for me.
 
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the small scar on my arm was the TB shot, and we gotthe polio vaccine on a sugar cube the same but doesn´t everyone in their late 50´s all know at least one person who contracted polio before the vaccine was in universal use? not one i´d want anyone to have.

likewise, as a kid there was no immunisation for whooping cough or chicken pox, and measles (German measles specifically) was only an immunisation for girls due to the risk of causing infant deafness if contracted during pregnancy.

a result of that was contracting German measles when i was about 22, and it was a motherfucker! fever, felt like shit, and all my joints felt like they were filled with broken glass - took me out of circulation for a fortnight.

i had chicken pox, and there are people of my age who still have the scars from it.

shit! my father had scarlet fever when he was s kid, and was put in an isolation hospital with other kids (1930´s) but you just don´t hear about it happening now…...though if the antivaxers keep on, we may yet see a resurgence.

shots here for kids are programmed and i´ve not Heard of any supposed cases of autism from vaccinations here apart from the usual unsupported bullshit on Facebook that gets linke to.
one of the vaccinations given here to kids is menegitis, and i´m very happy about that one, as it terrifies me the thought of my kids contracting it. having my kids losing multiple body parts to a preventable desease is not something i want to experience.
 
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I doubt anything I present will change your mind becuase you would have to admit you were wrong and that is hard for small people with BIG egos to do.

Hannah Poling
Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award
Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award

Vaccine Court Awards Millions to Two Children With Autism
Vaccine Court Awards Millions to Two Children With Autism


Vaccine Court Awards MMR Victim Millions. Conceals Diagnosis with Word Games.
Vaccine Court Awards MMR Victim Millions. Conceals Diagnosis with Word Games.

$101 Million Award for Child with MMR Vaccine Injury

Italian court reignites MMR vaccine debate after award over child with
 
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Oh really? The irony is rich!
I doubt anything I present will change your mind becuase you would have to admit you were wrong and that is hard for small people with BIG egos to do.
 
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I was responding more to
It's ironic that it's precisely because of vaccines that these stupid fucks are able to live long enough to propagate their bullshit.
You stated there is evidence of the link between autism and vaccinations. This is not it.






Do Vaccines Really Prevent 2.5 Million Children from Dying Each Year?

According to the WHO report, the estimate was based on “assumptions of no immunization and current incidence and mortality rates in children not immunized.”4

My understanding of that rather vague methodology explanation is that the WHO came up with the 2.5 million estimate based on the assumption that most of the children under five years of age who died around the world were unvaccinated. As the number of deaths of children in this age range declined, the assumption was that the declines were largely due to increased vaccination rates. UNICEF, which partnered with the WHO on the 2009 report confirms these assumptions when its states:

The number of children under five years old dying every year has fallen from 12.7 million in 1990 to 6.3 million today. Immunization in large part drove this historic achievement.8
Of course, the problem with the WHO’s methodology is that most children under five years of age do not die solely because they were unvaccinated.

Do Vaccines Really Prevent 2.5 Million Children from Dying Each Year?
 
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I get this is a joke topic here, but listen to the parents in this trailer. Are they laughing? Are they misguided? Did they get their info from Facebook?

 
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easy answer - let the anti vaxers have their own island and get on with it (not in isolation from the outside world) and see how darwinism deals with it.
 
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I doubt anything I present will change your mind becuase you would have to admit you were wrong and that is hard for small people with BIG egos to do.
More smoke and mirrors. Let's focus on the Hannah Poling case, as that's the only one you listed that directly claimed a link between vaccines and autism.

"Others have speculated that in the Poling case, all that was really conceded was that "the vaccines, given to Hannah in 2000, aggravated a pre-existing condition [namely, mitochondrial disease] that then manifested as autism-like symptoms."

The girl had a rare, underlying disorder that potentially could have been aggravated by the vaccines. Either way, she ended up with brain damage secondary to this cellular disease that resulted in neurological deficits similiar to autism. NOT AUTISM ITSELF.

"...this was not a case of vaccines causing autism. Rather, this is a case where the court deemed it plausible that vaccines aggravated an underlying disease caused by bad mitochondria, and that some of the symptoms Hannah showed were similar to autism,"

The VICP has a lower threshold for evidence to award damages. Essentially, as long as you can come up with a plausible mechanism and create a reasonable cause/effect, then damages were awarded. This is not the same as showing evidence vaccines cause autism.

Vaccines can cause injury, there's no doubt about that. But they don't cause autism and there is no evidence it does. There is no medication, no medical procedure, no therapy, that is completely 100% risk free. But the odds of a vaccine causing injury are so remote, and the benefits so numerous, that vaccines are still the best way to combat preventable infectious diseases.

Post up more news stories, I'll address any claims that vaccines causes autism. I got all day.
 
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Still waiting.... or perhaps you will post another picture of human excrement instead?
 
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Still waiting.... or perhaps you will post another picture of human excrement instead?
My bad, missed this before.

I googled Hannah Poling and clicked on the first few links plus the wikipedia. I'll link the sources when I get home.
 
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goddamn it

I love you Billetman

But you fucking wound him up...

You can’t fix crazy

So I gotta read the conspiracy theory shit again about the autism vaccine industry...

Btw- since most scientists have autistic traits, isn’t it more correct to say autism causes vaccines?

Discuss.

No, just fucking don’t.
 
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Oh yea ? What are you a Doctor or something?

My info comes straight from infowars bro !!

Lol
 
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The NEJM article was written by the major proponent for mass vaccination

Dr. Offit reports being a co-inventor and co-holder of a patent on the rotavirus vaccine RotaTeq, from which he and his institution receive royalties, as well as serving on a scientific advisory board for Merck.
no clear evidence exists that vaccines cause similar exacerbations.
vaccines are a minuscule contributor to this antigenic challenge.

those features of her condition considered autistic were part of a global encephalopathy caused by a mitochondrial enzyme deficit
CONSIDERED BY WHO???? OFFIT?

Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, responded to their claims that vaccines had caused their daughter's autism. “Let me be very clear that the government has made absolutely no statement . . . indicating that vaccines are a cause of autism,” she said
Gerberding's biggest challenge was defining the term “autism.”

Going forward, the VICP should more rigorously define the criteria by which it determines that a vaccine has caused harm. Otherwise, the message that the program inadvertently sends to the public will further erode confidence in vaccines and hurt those whom it is charged with protecting.


The pseudo science in this article is astounding:

the belief that the administration of multiple vaccines can overwhelm or weaken the immune system of a susceptible child is at variance with the number of immunologic components contained in modern vaccines. A century ago, children received one vaccine, smallpox, which contained about 200 structural and nonstructural viral proteins.
number of immunological components.., thats the basis of this argument

This is where Dr Offit hints at bench science that HAS NOT BEEN DONE. He is suggesting that the NUMBER is the most significant factor in the bodies response. That has not been demonstrated. His conclusions are all based on assumptions, epidemiology and the whitewashing of govt policy for public health objectives


FYI. the CDC is a compromised agency. They doctored the MMR results as carefully laid out by the whistle blower in the film Vaxxed.


What else you got?
 
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The NEJM article was written by the major proponent for mass vaccination

CONSIDERED BY WHO???? OFFIT?
Uh, no shit he is a major proponent for mass vaccination. Just about every Doctor in the US is a major proponent for mass vaccination. I'm a proponent of mass vaccination.

He's a pediatrician that specializes in infectious diseases, vaccines, and virology. He helped invent a vaccine that saves lives every day in combating a highly contagious disease.

In other words, I'm going to trust him vs. some kook on the internet that watched a documentary.


He is suggesting that the NUMBER is the most significant factor in the bodies response. That has not been demonstrated.
He's actually saying opposite - the number of protein bodies DOES NOT matter and has NOT BEEN DEMONSTRATED to overwhelm the immune system - he pointed out the smallpox vaccine has 10 times the amount of proteins in today's vaccine. The next sentence, which you cut off, stated that the average vaccine has about 11 viral proteins, compared to the 150-200 that the smallpox vaccine had.

You're in agreement with him.

FYI. the CDC is a compromised agency. They doctored the MMR results as carefully laid out by the whistle blower in the film Vaxxed.
I'll humor you. Post up evidence. I'm not watching an entire documentary though. Got more important things to do, like pull my pud, eat lunch and listen to gangster rap. Who knows, maybe at the same time.


What else you got?
No no no, my friend, that's not how this works.

You made the claim that vaccines causes autism.

You need to provide the evidence to support your claim, not me.
 
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Hey BilletMan... ya I did wonder...

And now the science is in... its so bothersome when the facts emerge and contradict the rush to judgement that public health policies promote turn out to be flawed...
 
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