Hey, my kids grades suck. Is there any other way to get them into a good school?

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I was surprised to see felony level charges but I guess the dollar amount might have made that happen. Plus if it's out of state their could be wire fraud, all sorts of nasty shit. Looks like people are lawyering up right now.
 
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Sounds like William H. Macy is involved too, as a Husband to one of 'em.

It was just a year or so ago that the FBI cracked down hard on NCAA recruiting violations. Busted a bunch of assistant coaches and pro agents and even I think, Addidas c/o?
I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn these new arrests are a fallout of the NCAA crackdown.

College athletes. Should they be paid?
There are pros and cons to both sides of that coin.
I don't pretend to know enough about the subject to cough up a solid opinion on it.
If you're in college to learn, you should be learning.
If you're in college simply to make the University some monies, then you should be paid.
Someone smarter than I am will find the fine-line and float it to see if it sticks.
 
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Sounds like William H. Macy is involved too, as a Husband to one of 'em.

It was just a year or so ago that the FBI cracked down hard on NCAA recruiting violations. Busted a bunch of assistant coaches and pro agents and even I think, Addidas c/o?
I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn these new arrests are a fallout of the NCAA crackdown.

College athletes. Should they be paid?
There are pros and cons to both sides of that coin.
I don't pretend to know enough about the subject to cough up a solid opinion on it.
If you're in college to learn, you should be learning.
If you're in college simply to make the University some monies, then you should be paid.
Someone smarter than I am will find the fine-line and float it to see if it sticks.
I sat next to the athletic director for Tulane University on a plane last year. Of course I asked her for her opinion on the matter of paid athletes. Her answer was something I never considered and hadn’t heard mentioned before. She was of the opinion that paying athletes opens up a whole can of worms for schools that don’t have the budget to pay. A kid can participate in college sports and still have an opportunity to receive a paid ride, but once you start to pay the athletes, most schools would simply fold up their programs because of money issues. She did say that schools could agree on a salary cap and have a collective fund for the poorer schools, but it would never happen. The Penn States etc, have no interest in parting with their cash for something like that.
 
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Like I was saying...


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its almost like colleges make it cost more to enroll stupid kids....and less for smart kids.

guess only the latter is legal since it has fancy names like scholarships and grants...lol.
 
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What is even more sickening is that one of their daughters ( Huffman our Loughlin, not certain which one ) has a you tube channel where she admitted she was looking forward to the college experience of game days and parties but could not care less about getting an education. Real pieces of shit these Hollywood types.
 
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What is even more sickening is that one of their daughters ( Huffman our Loughlin, not certain which one ) has a you tube channel where she admitted she was looking forward to the college experience of game days and parties but could not care less about getting an education. Real pieces of shit these Hollywood types.
Dude, that's the majority of all college kids. Stop being so old.
 
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You're the one that threw it out there. If you don't want to provide or are incapable of back up, so be it
Already discussed last week in RP's thread. The runaway costs of tuition for a lot of these programs is criminal, especially considering the ROI for a lot of these degrees. Administrators promise pie-in-the-sky salaries and do their best to obfuscate the true nature of the job market - this is not for worthless gender studies - this is law programs outside of the Ivy league. They justify high tuition by pushing loans - why wouldn't they? They're not guaranteeing the loans, it isn't coming out of their pocket - what do they care if students end up defaulting? They still get their money and I suspect they get a sweet kickback on top of that.

Don't even get me started on the fucking scam textbooks are. $400 for the latest edition, required by the course. Two paragraph difference from last year's edition, if I'm generous. You know what's even better? When that same professor requiring the latest edition wrote the textbook. Captive audience = money in their pocket.

Vacuous? lol. Take it from someone that's seen the inside of a classroom within the last decade.
 
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In my mind's eye, I just pictured William H. Macy in a little office in North Dakota, on the phone, reading fake social security numbers to a student loan guy.

Someone's gonna wind up in a wood chipper, you betcha.
 
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Laughlin taken into custody....is there more to it than just bribery?
 
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In my mind's eye, I just pictured William H. Macy in a little office in North Dakota, on the phone, reading fake social security numbers to a student loan guy.

Someone's gonna wind up in a wood chipper, you betcha.
Oh yeaah? Oh...
 
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A big part of the scam was making a donation to a fake 'charity'. If the people who paid into it declared it as a tax deduction and it can be proven they knew it was actually for the purpose of bribery, they're going to have problems with the IRS.
 
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Some of the NCAA folks got 1+ year sentences.
I can't wait to see what the Hollywhore types get.
 
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To be accurate, she was sentenced to ten days in jail and three years probation. Gov. Kasich also reduced her felony conviction to a misdemeanor.
 
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Laughlin taken into custody....is there more to it than just bribery?

The various federal charges are outlined in the following link posted at the bottom. Scroll down to charges and a detail of penalties for those charges, toward the end of the article.

( The charges are )
The charge of racketeering conspiracy
The charge of conspiracy to commit money laundering
The charge of conspiracy to defraud the United States
The charge of obstruction of justice.
The charges of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud, and of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and honest services wire fraud,


U.S. Attorney: Dozens charged in nationwide college admissions scandal
 
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Higher education is a fucking scam.
Already discussed last week in RP's thread. The runaway costs of tuition for a lot of these programs is criminal, especially considering the ROI for a lot of these degrees. Administrators promise pie-in-the-sky salaries and do their best to obfuscate the true nature of the job market - this is not for worthless gender studies - this is law programs outside of the Ivy league. They justify high tuition by pushing loans - why wouldn't they? They're not guaranteeing the loans, it isn't coming out of their pocket - what do they care if students end up defaulting? They still get their money and I suspect they get a sweet kickback on top of that.

Don't even get me started on the fucking scam textbooks are. $400 for the latest edition, required by the course. Two paragraph difference from last year's edition, if I'm generous. You know what's even better? When that same professor requiring the latest edition wrote the textbook. Captive audience = money in their pocket.

Vacuous? lol. Take it from someone that's seen the inside of a classroom within the last decade.
Fuck, just when I was getting used to arguing with you, I now have to agree with everything you
wrote.......at least in this thread.
 
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Its been proven that AI doctors are waaaay more accurate at diagnosis than regular Doctors .... 90% vs 60%

The days of Doctors and their fuck ups will soon be coming to an end .... not soon enough!
 
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So you take it as unfortunate that your doctor was required to attain higher ed?
Yes. I'm glad you picked the medical profession specifically.

If a grungy Dorito crusted nerd can crank out enterprise level software as a senior dev making a solid 6 figures, then I see no reason why a gifted 2 year degree holder can't practice medicine. Not just anyone, though, I don't want high school dropouts, but really smart folks? Sure.
 
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So both you and Anal Disco Anal Disco will be actively discouraging your offspring, present or future, from pursuing higher education?
I will thoroughly encourage my kids to pursue whatever meaningful career that they desire.
Definition of meaningful to me is any job that can enable them to support themselves and a future family.

In my 54 years of life experience, my anecdotal experiences have proven to me that a college degree makes no difference in a persons success.
Entrepreneurship is a much more desirable trait to encourage in kids.
I can't count how many college educated idiots I've run across in my life. I can't count how may people with degrees working in a job that
gives them no personal satisfaction other than the money, I've run across.
 
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I can't count how many college educated idiots I've run across in my life. I can't count how may people with degrees working in a job that
gives them no personal satisfaction other than the money, I've run across.
True. But the vast majority of 'idiots' I've encountered are those that don't have degrees. An even bigger majority that aren't happy...

Like anything, a degree is what you make of it. It's primary purpose is not necessarily happiness or money, more so to open doors and make contacts. And maybe to challenge oneself with the knowledge they can run with the brightest...or not.

BTW, I mentor students at a number of Comp Sci schools, let me tell you higher ed is laser focused on entrepreneurship on a level I never witnessed before.

Overall I'd say higher ed is better than it ever was as long as one is in the STEM fields. The other fields have been hijacked by rabid socialists and marxists, those kids are beyond lost.
 
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Overall I'd say higher ed is better than it ever was as long as one is in the STEM fields. The other fields have been hijacked by rabid socialists and marxists, those kids are beyond lost.
You're fucking right on that!

But also, you have to define in what way are they "idiots".
As a non-college graduate, do they have classes in "people skills" or "leadership skills" in college?
Just curious as I had a boss in the past that had an engineering degree and was very smart in that field
but absolutely lacking in the two skills I asked about.

Also, I'm pretty sure you're use of apostrophe's around the word idiot is incorrect.
 
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You're fucking right on that!

But also, you have to define in what way are they "idiots".
As a non-college graduate, do they have classes in "people skills" or "leadership skills" in college?
Just curious as I had a boss in the past that had an engineering degree and was very smart in that field
but absolutely lacking in the two skills I asked about.
Whether an academic institution should teach entrepreneurship and basic life skills (money) is up for debate. Historically, the college was focused on teaching the classics (math, physics, history, etc.). Historically, it wasn't the job of the school to teach people skills. THAT WAS THE JOB OF THE PARENT. Since the west and feminism has pretty much declared war on the family resulting in absent parents, divorces, women entering the workforce and dysfunctional families in general, this is where we have failed the kids socially, not in the schools.

To stay relevant, higher ed has been forced to focus on entrepreneurship. The admins aren't stupid. They know that the STEM kids have grown up to witness Zuckerberg become a self-made billionaire by 25. It's a reason why many traditional businesses have a difficult time managing the so-called millennials, especially retention; "If I'm not CFO by 27, I'm outta here"

Jobs, Gates were famous for becoming drop-out start up billionaires, and their success called into question the value of higher ed in the minds of many. Today, the top tier STEM leaders are often dropouts, but from grad school not undergrad as in the time of Gates, because the bar is so much higher. STEM is harder today than in my time. AI is the hot stuff, but often requires a PhD as it requires heavy math that is difficult to absorb in the fashion many successful developers cut their teeth with a 'Web programming for dummies' book.

Instead of teaching life skills explicitly, schools are partnering with start up incubators like Y Combinator to promote entrepreneurship. Often, a Google fellow (look that up if you don't know what 'fellow' means) will also be a professor at a top tier school to expose students to direct line of sight to being an entrepreneur. The schools are right to hand that baton over to the experts instead of text-book academics. Large enterprises are having a devil of a time attracting STEM graduates, because many want to be part of the start up scene instead of working at IBM.

I'm happy and encouraged to say that today higher ed STEM is more focused on entrepreneurship than I've ever witnessed. Gone are the days of a Jobs dropping out to start a business being seen as a mild curiosity. While it's not quite the norm, it has become widely accepted.

Regarding 'people skills', I can't answer for sure if STEM schools are addressing that. But I think the biggest demand is for STEM grads with high 'EQ', and why a Comp Sci/Engineering degree with an MBA combo is pretty much a ticket to the good life.
 
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You miss a couple of important facts:

* Bill Gates mom was heavily connected and helped him start Microsoft, and he would never have been as successful without Paul Allen.

* Steve jobs was just a dime a dozen idea guy, it was Steve Wozniak and others that made him what he was ..... without them he was a loser!

* Mark Zuckerberg stole his idea from the Winklevoss twins, therefore is nothing more than a common thief!
 
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Horseshit on #2

Wozniak was the 'dime a dozen' engineer working at HP. Without Jobs, he'd been just another engineer collecting a pension by now.

Your whole list is worthless, anyway. It's just another 'They were lucky I could've done it, too' envy list.

Without substance and execution, luck won't get you very far...certainly not to building from nothing the most valuable orgs (MS, Apple, FB) on the planet.
 
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