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Busa 1 Dave said:
I provided the link that showed all of the prices. Is it that hard to figure it out? If it is, then you do not need to be reloading like most here do--some at least one that I know of, handloads there is a difference! I said when I need to buy more. If it was not clear, then bad on me.

Will not be responding to our friend from Arizona on anything shooting related in the future because he just loads just to go bang, and I do not. My friend who loves lox on his bagels can help him. :wink2:
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Well, shit. Forgive me for just wanting a quick answer, rather than going back through a bunch of posts. Especially when I'm trying to read this stuff on a fucking phone, with no glasses.

Your obstinance prolonged something which could have been taken care of in a single post, with a single sentence.

Doesn't make a lick of fucking sense.

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My point was you could have just said "I paid N dollars for the primers", or "They are N dollars for X many primers". Nothing more.

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If you would have taken the time to look and yes you are a bang bang loader or you would have specified the brand and type seeing that they have different brands and types with different pricing. It is almost a certainty that you do not use the same primers I do.
 
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If you would have taken the time to look and yes you are a bang bang loader or you would have specified the brand and type seeing that they have different brands and types with different pricing. It is almost a certainty that you do not use the same primers I do.
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What exactly are you getting at here? Because I reload for the purpose of saving money, I'm not worthy of your attention or advice?

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What exactly are you getting at here? Because I reload for the purpose of saving money, I'm not worthy of your attention or advice?

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Do not get upset because most folks are "bang bang reloaders" and I have tried to help you in the past. Been lucky and know a couple of folks who help or have helped me and in turn will try and help other people as well to a certain point.

You see my objective in handloading is 180 degrees different than yours. Bottom line is I do it for accuracy, accuracy and did I mention accuracy because all of my rifles that I shoot are not standard commercial rifle chamberings. Exception being Colt AR's in .223, 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor which are not worth the time to load for at least for me. Have others that are standard chamberings that are collector safe queens.
 
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Do not get upset because most folks are "bang bang reloaders" and I have tried to help you in the past. Been lucky and know a couple of folks who help or have helped me and in turn will try and help other people as well to a certain point.

You see my objective in handloading is 180 degrees different than yours. Bottom line is I do it for accuracy, accuracy and did I mention accuracy because all of my rifles that I shoot are not standard commercial rifle chamberings. Exception being Colt AR rifles in Colt AR's in .223, 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor which are not worth the time to load for at least for me. Have others that are standard chamberings that are collector safe queens.
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Do you smell toast?
 
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Do not get upset because most folks are "bang bang reloaders" and I have tried to help you in the past. Been lucky and know a couple of folks who help or have helped me and in turn will try and help other people as well to a certain point.

You see my objective in handloading is 180 degrees different than yours. Bottom line is I do it for accuracy, accuracy and did I mention accuracy because all of my rifles that I shoot are not standard commercial rifle chamberings. Exception being Colt AR rifles in Colt AR's in .223, 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor which are not worth the time to load for at least for me. Have others that are standard chamberings that are collector safe queens.
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It's not your message, it's your delivery. šŸ˜Ž
 
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Reloading 101:

Let me start at the beginning. Chinese monks discovered gunpowder technology in the 9th century, during their quest for a life-extending elixir...

...blah blah blah

...pew, pew, pew.

Questions?
 
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Mom had an actual "Sweet Sixteen" Browning back when they were all made in Belgium. Original carbon paper receipt from 1946. Cost was $157.00 plus tax.
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Might take a look at it. I have one in 12ga as well from 1946 and it was made in St Louis. In 1947 it was all back in Belgium.
 

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Man I canā€™t believe what components cost now. I must be older than I thought. I used to buy 20,000 at a time and paid 13.00 Canadian. Back then that was like 9 USD
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Yup. You're old.

Mid 90's I was loading 40S&W, and primers were like $15/1000, cast bullets were around $18/500 and a pound of powder was like $16.

Now, I'm happy if I can get 1000 of any primer for under $110, and I'd probably faint dead away if I ever saw a box of large rifle magnum primers on the shelf. Hell, one of the chicks at Bruno's told me she can't really remember the last time she saw any LRMPs come through the shop.

Decent brass can be just as bad. I did manage to score 100 Lapua .300 WinMag cases a while back, which will keep me in business till I run out of what LRMPs I've got. I've been stuck with Hornady brass for my 6mm ARC and 6mm GT, because Hornady's the only company that's picked up the ARC at all, and I can't find decent 6.5 Grendel brass to turn into ARC at all. Luckily I just managed to score a couple hundred Alpha Munitions cases for the GT. Again, only two companies are putting out brass for that cartridge. I have no idea what premium rifle brass cost 20 or 30 years ago, but $1.10 a case is about as good as can be had anymore. Not sure I even want to know what the exotics like CheyTac, Enablr and Barretts cost.
 
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Drakhen said:
Yup. You're old.

Mid 90's I was loading 40S&W, and primers were like $15/1000, cast bullets were around $18/500 and a pound of powder was like $16.

Now, I'm happy if I can get 1000 of any primer for under $110, and I'd probably faint dead away if I ever saw a box of large rifle magnum primers on the shelf. Hell, one of the chicks at Bruno's told me she can't really remember the last time she saw any LRMPs come through the shop.

Decent brass can be just as bad. I did manage to score 100 Lapua .300 WinMag cases a while back, which will keep me in business till I run out of what LRMPs I've got. I've been stuck with Hornady brass for my 6mm ARC and 6mm GT, because Hornady's the only company that's picked up the ARC at all, and I can't find decent 6.5 Grendel brass to turn into ARC at all. Luckily I just managed to score a couple hundred Alpha Munitions cases for the GT. Again, only two companies are putting out brass for that cartridge. I have no idea what premium rifle brass cost 20 or 30 years ago, but $1.10 a case is about as good as can be had anymore. Not sure I even want to know what the exotics like CheyTac, Enablr and Barretts cost.
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On the 300 Win Lapua brass-----been using it for many years as a base for my Warp 7 found out at a SHOT Show and verified with further discussions with Lapua USA that this was made by Norma and stamped Lapua. For almost 15 years it has not been available as a component, but it is now. It is good stuff.....
 
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Do not get upset because most folks are "bang bang reloaders" and I have tried to help you in the past. Been lucky and know a couple of folks who help or have helped me and in turn will try and help other people as well to a certain point.

You see my objective in handloading is 180 degrees different than yours. Bottom line is I do it for accuracy, accuracy and did I mention accuracy because all of my rifles that I shoot are not standard commercial rifle chamberings. Exception being Colt AR's in .223, 308 and 6.5 Creedmoor which are not worth the time to load for at least for me. Have others that are standard chamberings that are collector safe queens.
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That's all fine and dandy, but you sound like an asshole. Maybe work on your delivery.

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Can't we all just get a thong?
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Bottom line is that the guy knows his shit. But he doesn't have to belittle those of us who aren't operating up in his rarefied air, yet that is exactly what he is doing.

Busa 1 Dave Busa 1 Dave , just mellow the fuck out. I'm reloading for volume and cost at this time, not ultimate accuracy. I'm shooting targets at 75 feet max, for pistols, not 1,000 yards. I know you are not full of shit. Just the opposite. I just need you to read the room before you start spouting off.

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Bottom line is that the guy knows his shit. But he doesn't have to belittle those of us who aren't operating up in his rarefied air, yet that is exactly what he is doing.

Busa 1 Dave Busa 1 Dave , just mellow the fuck out. I'm reloading for volume and cost at this time, not ultimate accuracy. I'm shooting targets at 75 feet max, for pistols, not 1,000 yards. I know you are not full of shit. Just the opposite. I just need you to read the room before you start spouting off.

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This applies to a lot of members here :lol:

(Your's truly as well, from time to time)
 
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Yup. You're old.

Mid 90's I was loading 40S&W, and primers were like $15/1000, cast bullets were around $18/500 and a pound of powder was like $16.

Now, I'm happy if I can get 1000 of any primer for under $110, and I'd probably faint dead away if I ever saw a box of large rifle magnum primers on the shelf. Hell, one of the chicks at Bruno's told me she can't really remember the last time she saw any LRMPs come through the shop.

Decent brass can be just as bad. I did manage to score 100 Lapua .300 WinMag cases a while back, which will keep me in business till I run out of what LRMPs I've got. I've been stuck with Hornady brass for my 6mm ARC and 6mm GT, because Hornady's the only company that's picked up the ARC at all, and I can't find decent 6.5 Grendel brass to turn into ARC at all. Luckily I just managed to score a couple hundred Alpha Munitions cases for the GT. Again, only two companies are putting out brass for that cartridge. I have no idea what premium rifle brass cost 20 or 30 years ago, but $1.10 a case is about as good as can be had anymore. Not sure I even want to know what the exotics like CheyTac, Enablr and Barretts cost.
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The EnABELR brass or the dies (big dies require the 7/8 insert standard small dies be removed from the press) are not cheap lol. This is what it cost to set up for the brass and dies. Eats powder like a fiend as well.

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Die Set SET-S-B-375ENB-000
$329.99T​

Whidden 375 Enabelr Die Set - ADD Bushing

1 X $329.99

Die Set - Bushing BUS-0-0-WGW397-000
$45.00T​

Whidden 375 Enabelr Die Set - Bushing

1 X $45.00

375 EnABELR Brass - Peterson
$630.00T​

1 Boxes *225 pieces =

225 X $2.80

Subtotal
$1,004.99​
Tax (0%)
$0.00​
Shipping
$30.00​
Total
$1,034.99​
Balance due
$1,034.99​



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Busa 1 Dave said:
The EnABELR brass or the dies (big dies require the 7/8 insert standard small dies be removed from the press) are not cheap lol. This is what it cost to set up for the brass and dies. Eats powder like a fiend as well.

​

Die Set SET-S-B-375ENB-000
$329.99T​

Whidden 375 Enabelr Die Set - ADD Bushing

1 X $329.99

Die Set - Bushing BUS-0-0-WGW397-000
$45.00T​

Whidden 375 Enabelr Die Set - Bushing

1 X $45.00

375 EnABELR Brass - Peterson
$630.00T​

1 Boxes *225 pieces =

225 X $2.80

Subtotal
$1,004.99​
Tax (0%)
$0.00​
Shipping
$30.00​
Total
$1,034.99​
Balance due
$1,034.99​



APPLIED BALLISTICS LLC
19417 Howard City Edmore Rd. Howard City, MI 49329
(844) 475-2635
accounts@appliedballisticsllc.com​

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Yeah, not cheap, but honestly, it's not as bad as I expected. I've got just as much in my dies for 6GT (SAC modular sizer and LE Wilson inline seater combine to over $400). Obviously everything else is way more.

You seen the new sizers from Area 419? They're asking 450 to 650 depending on chambering. Better give some kinda miracle accuracy for that money.
 
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Drakhen said:
Yeah, not cheap, but honestly, it's not as bad as I expected. I've got just as much in my dies for 6GT (SAC modular sizer and LE Wilson inline seater combine to over $400). Obviously everything else is way more.

You seen the new sizers from Area 419? They're asking 450 to 650 depending on chambering. Better give some kinda miracle accuracy for that money.
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When I build a rifle, I always buy the Wilson inline seater and we use the finishing reamer to make it and the roughing reamer to make the in-line sizing die which is an arbor press operation. Area 419 does have some really nice products however, mine are made by my Smith. My press has been trued by him as well. It is tempting looking at those sexy dies :biggrin: however, for me it is a little late for some of what they sell.
 
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When I build a rifle, I always buy the Wilson inline seater and we use the finishing reamer to make it and the roughing reamer to make the in-line sizing die which is an arbor press operation. Area 419 does have some really nice products however, mine are made by my Smith. My press has been trued by him as well. It is tempting looking at those sexy dies :biggrin: however, for me it is a little late for some of what they sell.
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I buy the cheapest shit that goes "bang", I can find.

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Busa 1 Dave said:
LOL ---- Why am I not surprised. Do you always buy the cheapest lox available?????:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:-
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There is no practical reason for a mid-pack(at best) shooter, to piss away extra money for the best and always much more expensive components. Even more so when you are in the back of the pack, like I am. Id rather put more rounds downrange for the same amount of money. I need the practice.
 
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There is no practical reason for a mid-pack(at best) shooter, to piss away extra money for the best and always much more expensive components. Even more so when you are in the back of the pack, like I am. Id rather put more rounds downrange for the same amount of money. I need the practice.
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My last words on this matter to you. We have a completely different outlook on shooting. Never did I say or use the term "most expensive" I am about accuracy, accuracy and accuracy. Do not like to lose when I compete or miss a target even when plinking. We have what is correctly termed a philosophical difference in why and how we shoot. Been this way since I started shooting when I was in the 4th grade.

It really is just that simple---if you want to get better it takes an integrated approach both skill and equipment if not then have fun going bang bang.:biggar: For me it is not fun if I am not shooting dots............. Leaving in the am for the ranch in NM will be away till Friday pm.
 
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My last words on this matter to you. We have a completely different outlook on shooting. Never did I say or use the term "most expensive" I am about accuracy, accuracy and accuracy. Do not like to lose when I compete or miss a target even when plinking. We have what is correctly termed a philosophical difference in why and how we shoot. Been this way since I started shooting when I was in the 4th grade.

It really is just that simple---if you want to get better it takes an integrated approach both skill and equipment if not then have fun going bang bang.:biggar: For me it is not fun if I am not shooting dots............. Leaving in the am for the ranch in NM will be away till Friday pm.
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You shoot one method, which requires that extreme precision, and you shoot at an extremely high level. I shoot another method, which does not require extreme precision. Apples and oranges. I'll enjoy my apples. You'll enjoy your oranges. The world still spins. The sun still comes up. All is good.

You can't tell me with a straight face, that what I do, and what you do, have much in common. Maybe if I was shooting at the top level of my practice, I'd put more thought into it. But, I'm just a fucking regular Joe, out there to get some experience and enjoy the experience. You on the other hand, are likely losing sleep over load, bullet weight, trajectory and all that other shit that is required to be good in your chosen practice.

I'm playing checkers, and very happy to do so. You're playing chess. We both enjoy what we do, and it supports and furthers our chosen sport.

Got it?

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BTW, I picked up some "quality" ammo to get out to the range and play around with the accuracy of my rifles chambered in 5.56 a while back. I do have some interest in distance shooting, but I'm not anywhere near ready to go down that rabbit hole like you. I want to see how my low-rent guns perform at 100 and 200 yards. From there, I'll decide if I want to further that effort.

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You shoot one method, which requires that extreme precision, and you shoot at an extremely high level. I shoot another method, which does not require extreme precision. Apples and oranges. I'll enjoy my apples. You'll enjoy your oranges. The world still spins. The sun still comes up. All is good.

You can't tell me with a straight face, that what I do, and what you do, have much in common. Maybe if I was shooting at the top level of my practice, I'd put more thought into it. But, I'm just a fucking regular Joe, out there to get some experience and enjoy the experience. You on the other hand, are likely losing sleep over load, bullet weight, trajectory and all that other shit that is required to be good in your chosen practice.

I'm playing checkers, and very happy to do so. You're playing chess. We both enjoy what we do, and it supports and furthers our chosen sport.

Got it?

S.C.
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He's living rent free in your head, evict him like an old crippled woman that can't pay her rent.
 
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BTW, I picked up some "quality" ammo to get out to the range and play around with the accuracy of my rifles chambered in 5.56 a while back. I do have some interest in distance shooting, but I'm not anywhere near ready to go down that rabbit hole like you. I want to see how my low-rent guns perform at 100 and 200 yards. From there, I'll decide if I want to further that effort.

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I went through that with my .223 Model 70. The stuff I loaded for myself was always pretty good at 100 yards. If I used stuff my buddy loaded it would still group good, but placement would be off.
 
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