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So when is he going to drain it then coz I was wanting to see all the shit he was promising to drag up, specifically the Clintons, on the hook?
Is all that off the table now?

I wanted so much for Hillary to get the ass fucking she deserved. He promised he would give it and he hasn't... :(
He has done a fine job with the economy considering the mass media and rest of the World nipping at his ankles non stop.

I want to see the swamp drained more than anyone. Starting with the Hillary s and the Hussein's... I can t believe people would vote in America.. For a half breed named Hussein but that's old news. Crooked Hillary needs to go down the drain with a splash. Ill be getting drunk when that happens, althiugh i somehow doubt she ever will spend a day in jail. She'll prob relocate to Israel where her pal Epstein is getting his sun, among other things.
 
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Thats better. Look for yourself. I asked a question. Some members responded not by answering the question but by switching to the angle of 'you're not from this country so what is it to do with you?' argument. That's a chickenshit route to take and it smacks of cowardice to face the question I asked.

The 'Draining the swamp' promise that Donald Trump used to such great effect in his campaign stuck with me and resonated somewhat. I have always been interested on how it went but news this side seems to give the impression it has stalled, or he has reneged on his promise to do so. Why are we not seeing the Clintons under more pressure? Why has corruption he railed against in his campaign not been dealt with? Or has it? I don't know for sure and I want to know. I want to know the litmus opinion of my LAB brethren in regards to his progress. I can't be arsed with the usual bullshit yadda yadda snide remarks like 'Let us know when England needs saving again.' and 'just go back to your almost Socialist County and learn the Koran' weak assed comments. They are child-like reactions and bring nothing to the discussion.

His tax returns I mentioned because again, the press seemed so focused on them my side of the pond. Are they so important and will he be in any kind of trouble from this?

I want to know what LAB thinks will be a threat to his position or second term. Will these things be an issue and are they as important as the foreign (to your side) press are trying to make out?
 
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There's no way he could have anticipated the level of resistance he has encountered from Democrats. He's limited in what he can do governmentally without some level of cooperation. There's no cooperation. There is no way he can accomplish what he said he could do, what he believed he could do, or what he set out to do, whether those are three unique objectives or one and the same. It isn't going to happen. If this makes you happy, then congratulations.
 
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If Trump legally used US tax law to avoid paying taxes, good for him- no harm, no foul. If, however, he cheated on his taxes by under- or over-inflating the value of his assets or by some other method, that's illegal and it means something- he could potentially owe tens- or even hundred-of-millions of dollars in taxes over the course of a decade (and a simple tax audit- if all years were even audited, which is unlikely- wouldn't necessarily show this, but a proper forensic analysis would- an audit by the Congressional Joint Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation is a way different process).

While it's not well known as it was essentially quashed by his pardon, Nixon was found to have underreported his tax liability to the tune of nearly $500,000 (in 1974 dollars- that's over $2.5m today), and it definitely influenced his decision to resign and be released from any potential criminal prosecution over it (and it negated his need to pay it back). If Trump is shown to owe a huge amount, the Dems will be happy to let him sign a resignation/pardon deal and let it slide- they just want him out.

It's also quite possible his returns could show violations of the Emoluments Clause, and, since he burned his bridges with US banks and finances everything he does with as much debt as possible, his returns could show connections to countries like Russia (where he claims to have no business dealings, but it's well known he certainly has connections there due to the Trump Tower Moscow project, which, though it was ultimately scrapped, obviously involved high-level people), which could show him to be possibly beholden to and compromised by people with whom we'd be better off with the POTUS not being associated. All this potentially aids in the impeachment process as far as evidence for the prosecution goes.

The Dems know all this and won't stop until they get his returns.
 
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When I look at the massive amount of flak Trump is getting right now it makes me think he is doing a good job of starting to get the swamp drained and the swamp creatures are running scared.
You get the most flak when you are right over the target.
Bombs away....
 
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If Trump legally used US tax law to avoid paying taxes, good for him- no harm, no foul. If, however, he cheated on his taxes by under- or over-inflating the value of his assets or by some other method, that's illegal and it means something- he could potentially owe tens- or even hundred-of-millions of dollars in taxes over the course of a decade (and a simple tax audit- if all years were even audited, which is unlikely- wouldn't necessarily show this, but a proper forensic analysis would- an audit by the Congressional Joint Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation is a way different process).

While it's not well known as it was essentially quashed by his pardon, Nixon was found to have underreported his tax liability to the tune of nearly $500,000 (in 1974 dollars- that's over $2.5m today), and it definitely influenced his decision to resign and be released from any potential criminal prosecution over it (and it negated his need to pay it back). If Trump is shown to owe a huge amount, the Dems will be happy to let him sign a resignation/pardon deal and let it slide- they just want him out.

It's also quite possible his returns could show violations of the Emoluments Clause, and, since he burned his bridges with US banks and finances everything he does with as much debt as possible, his returns could show connections to countries like Russia (where he claims to have no business dealings, but it's well known he certainly has connections there due to the Trump Tower Moscow project, which, though it was ultimately scrapped, obviously involved high-level people), which could show him to be possibly beholden to and compromised by people with whom we'd be better off with the POTUS not being associated. All this potentially aids in the impeachment process as far as evidence for the prosecution goes.

The Dems know all this and won't stop until they get his returns.

What, do you think Trump is the ONLY one who may have done something counter to the rules when it comes to his taxes? Puhlease! :roll:
 
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Thats better. Look for yourself. I asked a question. Some members responded not by answering the question but by switching to the angle of 'you're not from this country so what is it to do with you?' argument. That's a chickenshit route to take and it smacks of cowardice to face the question I asked.

The 'Draining the swamp' promise that Donald Trump used to such great effect in his campaign stuck with me and resonated somewhat. I have always been interested on how it went but news this side seems to give the impression it has stalled, or he has reneged on his promise to do so. Why are we not seeing the Clintons under more pressure? Why has corruption he railed against in his campaign not been dealt with? Or has it? I don't know for sure and I want to know. I want to know the litmus opinion of my LAB brethren in regards to his progress. I can't be arsed with the usual bullshit yadda yadda snide remarks like 'Let us know when England needs saving again.' and 'just go back to your almost Socialist County and learn the Koran' weak assed comments. They are child-like reactions and bring nothing to the discussion.

His tax returns I mentioned because again, the press seemed so focused on them my side of the pond. Are they so important and will he be in any kind of trouble from this?

I want to know what LAB thinks will be a threat to his position or second term. Will these things be an issue and are they as important as the foreign (to your side) press are trying to make out?
There's lots of propaganda against Trump in Europe/England.
Like someone already said, he "fucked" the world by toughening the trade procedures. In Romania everyone with a business got affected and was bad mouthing Trump left and right. When their pocket takes a hit, people talk shit.

So if mass media is your news source, then there s plenty anti Trump propaganda that you will see.

Like ivan carumba said, the swamp things are running scared in every direction trying their best to survive the Trump episode by smearing Trump at every turn.
 
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What, do you think Trump is the ONLY one who may have done something counter to the rules when it comes to his taxes? Puhlease! :roll:
Obviously not, but that's completely irrelevant to the current situation, and it's a silly argument that could literally be used to excuse anyone for anything. 'Other people have done the same illegal thing and have gotten away with it, so it doesn't count.'

I do, however, think that Trump is the only current POTUS who's the subject of an impeachment inquiry, so, whatever he's done in the past regarding his taxes is relevant to said inquiry, even if others did what he may have done and escaped repercussions (and we also can't ignore the fact that so many people have been prosecuted due to falsifying their returns- it cuts both ways).

Yup, the 'Hey, officer, everyone else was speeding, why am I the only one getting a ticket?' defense works every time...':lol:
 
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There's no way he could have anticipated the level of resistance he has encountered from Democrats. He's limited in what he can do governmentally without some level of cooperation. There's no cooperation. There is no way he can accomplish what he said he could do, what he believed he could do, or what he set out to do, whether those are three unique objectives or one and the same. It isn't going to happen. If this makes you happy, then congratulations.
Tax reform, trade reform, troop withdrawal and no new wars (so far)

All part of his election platform. There are presidents who would've been celebrated having done only one of those in less than a term

If that falls under 'There is no way he can accomplish what he said he could do...' then damn, I can only imagine (dream?) of what could've been done without having had both hands tied behind his back
 
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Let's face a fact without an impeachment conviction there is no way the Dems can win the next election .. they know.... we know..... best of all Trump Knows it.
That's it right there

The more dire the Dem candidate field becomes, the more they will press with this impeachment charade
 
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If Trump legally used US tax law to avoid paying taxes, good for him- no harm, no foul. If, however, he cheated on his taxes by under- or over-inflating the value of his assets or by some other method, that's illegal and it means something- he could potentially owe tens- or even hundred-of-millions of dollars in taxes over the course of a decade (and a simple tax audit- if all years were even audited, which is unlikely- wouldn't necessarily show this, but a proper forensic analysis would- an audit by the Congressional Joint Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation is a way different process).
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Wait, wait......are you saying you don't believe the Trump company(s) doesn't get audited by the IRS every year?

That's an interesting....hypothesis...

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Mr Lucky:

Draining the Swamp was always going to be a daunting challenge because of the entrenched maggots in The Government and in Civil Service. Most of them are (ex)lawyers and come from both sides of the aisle. Their only reason for existence is to protect their cushy, overpaid jobs.

What you are seeing from the other side of the pond is a fight between what some folks would call the Deep State, and the Public (Trump and the people who elected him).
 
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The Only way ANY ONE can drain the swamp is to bring Term limits to ALL branches of government AND end family tree politicians.
The good and mostly bad of term limits can be seen today in the debacle of the house vs the president.

Swaying public opinion is easy and just like a wind can be fraught with problems. The national conversation turns to things like transgender bathrooms,, etc. and the country needs INSTEAD to be on a concrete base that's LONG term.

The founding fathers considered then rejected the idea based on the fact that the knowledge gained by the senior members trickle down to the junior members and without that long term base of how the show really runs, junior members would be too easy to corrupt.

So while I too agree that there should be term limits for all -- the end result, as seen by the founding fathers, should make us all pause for a second and think about why THEY didn't think it a good idea.

James Madison said:
A few of the members of Congress will possess superior talents; will by frequent re-elections, become members of long standing; will be thoroughly masters of the public business, and perhaps not unwilling to avail themselves of those advantages. The greater the proportion of new members of Congress, and the less the information of the bulk of the members, the more apt they be to fall into the snares that may be laid before them
 
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The good and mostly bad of term limits can be seen today in the debacle of the house vs the president.

Swaying public opinion is easy and just like a wind can be fraught with problems. The national conversation turns to things like transgender bathrooms,, etc. and the country needs INSTEAD to be on a concrete base that's LONG term.

The founding fathers considered then rejected the idea based on the fact that the knowledge gained by the senior members trickle down to the junior members and without that long term base of how the show really runs, junior members would be too easy to corrupt.

So while I too agree that there should be term limits for all -- the end result, as seen by the founding fathers, should make us all pause for a second and think about why THEY didn't think it a good idea.
Wouldn't those same arguments hold true for the POTUS??
 
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Wouldn't those same arguments hold true for the POTUS??
I think there are a lot of arguments for both sides of the debate, so I don't have a real grasp of why the Prez would be any different except for the fact that the POTUS doesn't make laws.
 
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Wait, wait......are you saying you don't believe the Trump company(s) doesn't get audited by the IRS every year?

That's an interesting....hypothesis...

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I said it's unlikely (his company returns may get audited fairly frequently, maybe every two or three years, but it's rare for personal returns to be audited yearly, and that's what he's claiming- 12 straight years), . Tell it to the former Commissioner of the IRS If you have a problem with that- he's the one that said it first...

IRS chief: 'Rare' for taxpayer to be audited several years in a row, as Trump claims

IRS Commissioner John Koskinen said Friday that it would be unlikely for a taxpayer to be audited for multiple years in a row, a day after Donald Trump maintained the agency had audited him a dozen years running.

Koskinen, in an interview with C-SPAN’s “Newsmakers,” stressed repeatedly that he couldn’t comment directly on Trump’s personal tax situation. But the IRS chief also strongly suggested that the scenario Trump laid out in Thursday’s GOP debate was improbable.

“It would be rare for anyone to be audited every year,” Koskinen said in the interview, which will air Sunday. If there were no issues following an audit, Koskinen added, “it’s a number of years — two or three at least — before you hear from us again."
 
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That would depend on who you are and who is looking into your taxes
 
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That would depend on who you are and who is looking into your taxes
I think the guy knows how the IRS works better than you or me, Paul... While he couldn't comment on Trump specifically, Trump was who he was asked about.

He didn't say it was impossible, but he said it's 'rare', which is why I said it's unlikely Trump was audited every year as he claimed- if you have actual info that shows otherwise, I'd like to see it. Pimpslayer called me out on what I posted, and I backed it up.

As POTUS that might be different and I could believe he gets audited, but we're talking about a period well before that.
 
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Except for a few companies I worked for that had ties to who ever ;)... are the only ones I seen get audited.. one company that was ALWAYS under some investigation was yearly audited for three years in a row. When nothing could be proved it all quited down. I think that was more FBI then IRS though. :)
 
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Except for a few companies I worked for that had ties to who ever ;)... are the only ones I seen get audited.. one company that was ALWAYS under some investigation was yearly audited for three years in a row. When nothing could be proved it all quited down. I think that was more FBI then IRS though. :)
'Companies'. Yes, companies are more likely to get audited than personal returns- Trump is claiming his personal returns get annually audited, and that rarely happens, according to the former IRS Commissioner and many tax lawyers/accountants who were asked the question when the issue first came up. There have to be a lot of problems and irregularities with your returns to keep the IRS on your ass. It's not impossible, but, as I said, it's unlikely.

Ex-IRS agent: 'Very unusual' that Trump has been audited for 12 years

A former Internal Revenue Service (IRS) agent tells Bloomberg it’s "very unusual" that the tax returns of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump have been audited for 12 years.

Alan Olsen, who is now the managing partner of a California accounting firm called Greenstein Rogoff Olsen & Co., said the IRS typically spaces out audits when no problems are found.

“If the IRS examines your tax return and finds no issues they will not audit your return again for two years,” Olsen told Bloomberg. “If returns are properly prepared, the IRS typically goes away.”

Here the current IRS Commissioner says the 'I can't release my returns while they're under audit' line isn't true:

IRS commissioner: No rule against releasing Trump's tax returns while under audit

IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig confirmed at a House Appropriations Subcommittee on Tuesday that there is "no rule that would prohibit the release of a tax return because it's under audit," in reference to an ongoing effort by House Democrats to obtain President Trump's tax returns.

Driving the news: Trump told reporters on Wednesday, the deadline given by House Ways and Means Chairman Richard Neal for Trump to release his tax returns, that he will not do so while under audit — a defense he has used for the past 3 years. Trump's lawyers sent a letter to the Department of Treasury counsel last week dismissing the request for returns as politically-motivated.
 
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there is only one person that owns the company... actually a family.
 
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It's still a company- there's no way he's filing it as part of his individual personal tax return- that would be incredibly foolish as he'd end up paying more in taxes that way as there would be fewer deductions he could claim (not to mention he couldn't take advantage of the lower corporate tax rate).
 
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The Dems know? Know what?? How to read a return?? GTFO. :fu:
 

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What would a run through of his taxes three fucking years into an elected presidency tell anybody -- what....that he's a shrewd business man that's fucked a bunch of people over and maybe even not paid all the taxes he was supposed to??

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Ah! The deep state!

Because the illuminati is SOOOOO 20th century!
Read pimpslayer's post again, only slower.

I could tell you the truth about the Illuminati but, I have things yet to accomplish on this planet and do not want my time cut short.
 

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What would a run through of his taxes three fucking years into an elected presidency tell anybody -- what....that he's a shrewd business man that's fucked a bunch of people over and maybe even not paid all the taxes he was supposed to??
Tax returns had an effect on Nixon's decision to resign (as I noted earlier, it was found he had underreported by nearly 500K), and that was into a second term... Whitewater dogged Bill Clinton years after it happened. The past doesn't disappear once you sit in the big seat.

The Dems are looking for some sort of illegal activity, like fake charitable deductions or false property valuations, or a questionable source of income (like taxes paid to foreign governments), especially something they could leverage into inducing him to sign a resignation/pardon agreement (like a huge number for taxes owed that could be forgiven if he leaves voluntarily). It's likely a long-shot, but this was always going to be the consequence of the Reps losing the House- the Dems now control Executive Branch oversight, and they're going to use it to climb up Trump's ass. The taxes are a possible avenue that will help in their impeachment inquiry. I personally don't think they'll show much based on what I've read, and I haven't argued to the contrary, but I understand why the Dems want at least a shot at going over his returns.

You may well be right and it's all for nothing.
 

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Couldn't have been too early- federal income tax as we know it today has only been around for a little over 100 years.
 

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Comparing is fun cept that the world as we know it would have never been given today's social media mob mentality. It has widened the environment of politics and will eventually change the politicians themselves.

Iconoclast is here to stay.

Now imagine what the FUTURE president will be considering the current technology of info-war.

Taxes? Pffft. It'll be a hail mary at best. You'll need something like murder or rape ...and it better be CHILD rape, cuz even butt rape nobody seems to care about now. :lol:
 
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Rudy Colludy could be in big trouble here- Trump is distancing himself the exact same way he did when he was asked about Michael Cohen making the payoff to Stormy Daniels- 'I don't know- you'd have to ask him.'

One commentator said Rudy can hear the branch he's out on being sawn off- that's probably dead-on.
 

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I guess there is no low tax haven.
Here's the thing about that, Paul- even if you found one, you'd still be on the hook for US taxes for any income over ~105K (foreign income has to be reported, and the US is one of the only countries that levies taxes on it over a certain amount). Before opening a account in a foreign bank or even getting a foreign credit card with a high limit, you have to fill out an FBAR (Foreign Bank Account Report), which automatically sends the info to the IRS if the account goes over 10K.

There's no real way to move somewhere and save on taxes if you're making decent money- Uncle Sam has you by the balls.
 

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Rudy Colludy could be in big trouble here- Trump is distancing himself the exact same way he did when he was asked about Michael Cohen making the payoff to Stormy Daniels- 'I don't know- you'd have to ask him.'

One commentator said Rudy can hear the branch he's out on being sawn off- that's probably dead-on.
And now:
Mike Pompeo's senior adviser resigns - CNNPolitics

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A senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has resigned, two sources familiar with the matter told CNN on Thursday.

The adviser, Michael McKinley, had been a diplomat for over three decades and served as ambassador to Peru, Colombia, Afghanistan and, most recently, Brazil until he was appointed to his advising role in May 2018, according to his department biography.

The departure comes as Pompeo faces increasing pressure from House investigators over his recently revealed presence on a phone call in which President Donald Trump pressured Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden -- Trump's potential Democratic rival -- and Biden's son Hunter. There is no evidence of wrongdoing in Ukraine by Joe or Hunter Biden.
 

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And now:
Mike Pompeo's senior adviser resigns - CNNPolitics

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A senior adviser to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has resigned, two sources familiar with the matter told CNN on Thursday.

The adviser, Michael McKinley, had been a diplomat for over three decades and served as ambassador to Peru, Colombia, Afghanistan and, most recently, Brazil until he was appointed to his advising role in May 2018, according to his department biography.

The departure comes as Pompeo faces increasing pressure from House investigators over his recently revealed presence on a phone call in which President Donald Trump pressured Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden -- Trump's potential Democratic rival -- and Biden's son Hunter. There is no evidence of wrongdoing in Ukraine by Joe or Hunter Biden.
Yup, and another potentially damning testimony is scheduled for next week:

Trump's former Russia aide set to give revealing testimony on Giuliani, Sondland

Fiona Hill, who was until recently President Donald Trump’s top aide on Russia and Europe, plans to tell Congress that Rudy Giuliani and E.U. ambassador Gordon Sondland circumvented the National Security Council and the normal White House process to pursue a shadow policy on Ukraine, a person familiar with her expected testimony told NBC News.

Hill’s appearance next week before Congress has stoked fear among people close to the president, said a former senior White House official, given her central role overseeing Russia and Ukraine policy throughout most of the Trump administration.

Her plans to testify also pose a key test for whether congressional committees pursuing an impeachment inquiry can obtain testimony from other former officials who have left the administration, given the possibility that the White House may try to assert executive privilege to stop them from testifying.

Hill plans to say that Giuliani and Sondland side-stepped the proper process for accessing Trump on Ukraine issues, the person familiar with her expected testimony said, including circumventing John Bolton, who was Trump’s national security adviser until September.
 

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And more intrigue:

Giuliani said he would not be able to meet Thursday evening for an interview because he was planning to fly to Vienna in the evening around the same time that his associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were arrested at Dulles International Airport while waiting to board a flight to Vienna with one-way international tickets
 

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There was a time post-9/11 when I (like many New Yorkers) would have voted for Giuliani if he had been the Rep candidate for POTUS- he's not the same guy now that he was then.
 

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There was a time post-9/11 when I (like many New Yorkers) would have voted for Giuliani if he had been the Rep candidate for POTUS- he's not the same guy now that he was then.
It seems Trump has that effect on many in his sphere...
 
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