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Don't Fuck Around In Brazil

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Start date Aug 2, 2022

Qwik

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#51

Anal Disco said:
I'm surprised the robber didn't pop off a round when it looks like he had a very clear shot, guessing he was feeling a little lightheaded by that point.

The guard took one. He’s leaving a pretty good blood trail behind the counter as well

rumble phish

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#52

A23 said:
Blood ballet...

This is a great example of how, when someone is mortally wounded and will be dead within minutes, the adrenaline in their system is enough to keep them in the fight long enough to get a hit on you and possibly kill you before they die.

shotlady

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#53

Exactly my first thought on watching this, rumble, you can die from a shot that doesnt kill you right away, doesnt mean they are dead right away and this is why you have to empty the mag. looks like they were shooting revolvers.

shotlady

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#54

what was he dragging? notice the chick in green just walks to the door when this got started. no hustle whatsoever.

Anal Disco

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#55

shotlady said:
what was he dragging? notice the chick in green just walks to the door when this got started. no hustle whatsoever.

She was reluctant to leave a good deal behind.

Surely you can relate.

ZXLNT

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#56

That's awesome!!!!!

Dameon

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#57

Master-Cylinder said:
That's what it will probably come to here in "diverse" cities.

We can dream.

gobrian77

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#58

Here's one from Las Vegas- did the clerk (possibly the owner) of the shop go too far? No info (that I saw) on if the thief lived. I can't say I feel too badly about these guys, but I wonder if the employee gets charged.

luckystrike

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#59

gobrian77 said:
Here's one from Las Vegas- did the clerk (possibly the owner) of the shop go too far? No info (that I saw) on if the thief lived. I can't say I feel too badly about these guys, but I wonder if the employee gets charged.

The most offensive thing about that is a Korean engaged in cultural appropriation by dressing like a squatting Slav

Anal Disco

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#60

Shop owner did an AMA, said the robber is alive. Currently. Stabbings on video are way more brutal than any shooting.

Dude isn't rocking a full track suit, no cultural appropriation.

Drakhen

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#61

gobrian77 said:
Here's one from Las Vegas- did the clerk (possibly the owner) of the shop go too far? No info (that I saw) on if the thief lived. I can't say I feel too badly about these guys, but I wonder if the employee gets charged.

I don't see any weapons. If they didn't have any weapons, I'd say he could be in deep shit.

Qwik

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#62

Drakhen said:
I don't see any weapons. If they didn't have any weapons, I'd say he could be in deep shit.

three on one? And we all know that fists kill more people every year than guns

gobrian77

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#63

Drakhen said:
I don't see any weapons. If they didn't have any weapons, I'd say he could be in deep shit.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. It looked like he stuck him seven times.

Drakhen

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#64

Qwik said:
three on one? And we all know that fists kill more people every year than guns

I'm not saying it from a moral point of view. I'm saying it from the POV that the law may not agree with his actions. In the video above, I didn't see anyone threatening him, nor did I see weapons. Stabbing someone seven or more times, isn't a good look if all they were doing was stealing stuff.

Of course, I'm not gonna shed a tear over a dead scumbag, but I won't be on the jury if this guy gets charged.

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#65

The clerk's biggest mistake was not killing the leprechaun. Now BLM will hire the leprechaun a high priced lawyer (probably Jewish) to get him a pay day.

And that's IF he doesn't wind up getting charged with a hate crime.

rumble phish

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#66

Drakhen said:
I'm not saying it from a moral point of view. I'm saying it from the POV that the law may not agree with his actions. In the video above, I didn't see anyone threatening him, nor did I see weapons. Stabbing someone seven or more times, isn't a good look if all they were doing was stealing stuff.

Of course, I'm not gonna shed a tear over a dead scumbag, but I won't be on the jury if this guy gets charged.

I'm pretty sure the leprechaun was in the process of strong-arm robbing the place, so the threat (3 v 1) was real. However, what you're saying may well come to fruition.

Last edited: Aug 5, 2022

whipit1K

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#67

Those scooter riding scumbags would be treated like royalty here, probably awarded 40 billion dollars in damages by a brain dead jury. Thus our decline...

maui

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#68

Drakhen said:
I don't see any weapons. If they didn't have any weapons, I'd say he could be in deep shit.

it sure does not look like self defense...not saying the guy getting stabbed was a prince, but a smash grab crime is not really a invitation to kill the guy..if the guy had died the clerk would most likely be looking at a manslaughter or possibly murder charge. My guess is that he's in pretty big trouble there...more than the guy who got stabbed anyway.

Pat830

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#69

Somebody smashes and grabs from another persons business and they get killed in the process, TOUGH SHIT. There should be no legal repercussions against the store owner or any employees. Not saying there won’t be, the world is upside down these days.

The world wouldn’t miss that thief.

maui

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#70

Pat830 said:
Somebody smashes and grabs from another persons business and they get killed in the process, TOUGH SHIT. There should be no legal repercussions against the store owner or any employees. Not saying there won’t be, the world is upside down these days.

The world wouldn’t miss that thief.

I can see your point but I also believe in a measured response. Steal a candy bar, broken finger etc. Steal a car, get run over...broken leg(s)? Use a weapon, get a weapon used on you. Rape=Rape, Kill = Kill.

Years ago there was a judge I think in NYC who sentenced a habitual thief to having his stuff taken from him by the victim. Said that the victim could enter his house any time they wanted and rummage his stuff until they found what they liked. The guy said well if they can do that he can't ever have nice stuff...the judge said exactly...

Vegas12

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#71

Jumping over the counter would create an obvious fear for your life or grave bodily harm situation....doesn't have to wait to actually see a weapon.
Clerk didn't stab him for stealing shit at that point.

Self defense

rumble phish

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#72

There's a longer version of the video that makes the clerk's actions look really bad.

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#73

rumble phish said:
There's a longer version of the video that makes the clerk's actions look really bad.

gobrian77

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#74

'Video games made me do it' doesn't sound like a great defense in court. 'I was in fear for my life' seems like a better line to take.

Vegas12

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#75

gobrian77 said:
'Video games made me do it' doesn't sound like a great defense in court. 'I was in fear for my life' seems like a better line to take.

Obviously not listening to or doesn't have an attorney.....

Your Car Is Slow

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#76

thought when he got the guy in a headlock he was gonna slit his throat there for a second!

and yea, hes gonna regret that reddit post when dindonuffins parents sue him in civil court.

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#77

Your Car Is Slow said:
thought when he got the guy in a headlock he was gonna slit his throat there for a second!

and yea, hes gonna regret that reddit post when dindonuffins parents sue him in civil court.

Looked like he stabbed him in the neck. And were the perp leprechaun? Can't be sure from the video, but it looked like maybe a white guy under the ski mask.

Your Car Is Slow

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#78

ah true, there I go stereotyping again.

kid was covered in head to toe black, i honestly didnt see a lick of skin.

Kirk

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#79

rumble phish said:
This is a great example of how, when someone is mortally wounded and will be dead within minutes, the adrenaline in their system is enough to keep them in the fight long enough to get a hit on you and possibly kill you before they die.

Bingo.

There's several lessons in that video, but "fatal" does not equal "instant incapacitation", for sure.

Qwik

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#80

yup. last one severed the perps spinal cord

KEHALE

BAMF with a stick

#81

I bet he (she/zie whatever) won’t do that again.

fr0st

The Arvida Chancellor

#82

Is that considered defense ?? I mean will that kid be convicted?

Qwik

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#83

fr0st said:
Is that considered defense ?? I mean will that kid be convicted?

If he was in Cali, definitely. being in Nevada, probably

fr0st

The Arvida Chancellor

#84

Here i'd be arrested for having the knife...

gsteve

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#85

I dunno …. Did the idiots he faced have any weapons ?

rumble phish

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#86

gsteve said:
I dunno …. Did the idiots he faced have any weapons ?

After watching the video several times, I can't see that they had any weapons. I assumed it was a strong arm robbery, where they were threatening to beat him. Even if it was, when the guy goes behind the counter it didn't look like he was the aggressor. The clerk was on him in a flash.

RobBase

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#87

Yeah, well fuck him and his partner both. If the clerk would have shot or stabbed both of them in the face it would make the world a better place.

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#88

rumble phish said:
After watching the video several times, I can't see that they had any weapons. I assumed it was a strong arm robbery, where they were threatening to beat him. Even if it was, when the guy goes behind the counter it didn't look like he was the aggressor. The clerk was on him in a flash.

Huh?

How much victim-hood should people accept before they can put up a defense?

In NYC the line is different than Las Vegas. Morally it should be consistent.

BigGar

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#89

rumble phish said:
After watching the video several times, I can't see that they had any weapons. I assumed it was a strong arm robbery, where they were threatening to beat him. Even if it was, when the guy goes behind the counter it didn't look like he was the aggressor. The clerk was on him in a flash.

Wait . . .

What ? ? ?

It didn't look like he was the aggressor?
He was behind the fucking counter.
If that particular shopkeeper didn't feel in fear for his life, he's a brave man than I.
Two bandits in the store.
One less now. Too bad he didn't get to kill both of them.
No way he's convicted of anything.

maui

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#90

A23 said:
Huh?

How much victim-hood should people accept before they can put up a defense?

In NYC the line is different than Las Vegas. Morally it should be consistent.

the guy in NYC had the guy on top of him, the guys intent was not to rob but to assault. The guy in Vegas looked like he had a different deal, more of a robbery but I could be wrong.. Vegas12's point about he came over the counter is probably the biggest thing in the store clerks favor. Still it's going to be how the laws in NV are regarding self defense and how horny a prosecutor is. Hopefully the store clerk just gets a pat on his head and goes back to his normal life. Keep in mind that I don't have a law degree, I'm guessing like most of the rest of the people here.

Measure response in self defense is something you need to pay attention to to stay out of prison. I'm not saying whats right or wrong, just what might happen later. Going on Reddit and saying you play video games on how to kill people is probably not going to help. If he had just stuck to the 3 against 1 and I don't know what happened next deal, then thats a better defense.

Generally measured response is what it sounds like. Someone flips you off, you shoot them....no. Someone threatens your life, it's likely to be life for life at that point. Over simplified but you can fight for your life especially if you are cornered. Some states have castle doctrines which "I think" means you don't have an obligation to retreat. Other states will say if you have an easy way out you have an obligation to take it. Being cornered in its self I would think is a very strong defense. *IF you can....run away.. If you are defending someone else, and they can't retreat, then (I'm pretty sure) you can stay.

When it comes down to it though having a cool head in a situation like that is unlikely at best. Even if you have training once your animal instinct kicks in it's not going to end well for anyone. I think thats what we saw with the store clerk in NV....now if he could just stop talking he might be ok..

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#91

BigGar said:
No way he's convicted of anything.

Probably because he's in Vegas.

Remember in NYC they arrested the 'bogada' worker for stabbing an attacker.

I'm sure there are many municipalities where this clerk would be behind bars... and they have one thing in common.

maui

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#92

according to google:

In Nevada, self-defense is permitted if the non-aggressor reasonably believes he/she – or someone else – is in imminent danger of bodily harm. Furthermore, the non-aggressor must use no more physical force than necessary to defense himself/herself or another person.

this is what may be argued. Was the level of force demonstrated.

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#93

maui said:
the guy in NYC had the guy on top of him, the guys intent was not to rob but to assault. The guy in Vegas looked like he had a different deal, more of a robbery but I could be wrong.. Vegas12's point about he came over the counter is probably the biggest thing in the store clerks favor. Still it's going to be how the laws in NV are regarding self defense and how horny a prosecutor is. Hopefully the store clerk just gets a pat on his head and goes back to his normal life. Keep in mind that I don't have a law degree, I'm guessing like most of the rest of the people here.

Measure response in self defense is something you need to pay attention to to stay out of prison. I'm not saying whats right or wrong, just what might happen later. Going on Reddit and saying you play video games on how to kill people is probably not going to help. If he had just stuck to the 3 against 1 and I don't know what happened next deal, then thats a better defense.

Generally measured response is what it sounds like. Someone flips you off, you shoot them....no. Someone threatens your life, it's likely to be life for life at that point. Over simplified but you can fight for your life especially if you are cornered. Some states have castle doctrines which "I think" means you don't have an obligation to retreat. Other states will say if you have an easy way out you have an obligation to take it. Being cornered in its self I would think is a very strong defense. *IF you can....run away.. If you are defending someone else, and they can't retreat, then (I'm pretty sure) you can stay.

When it comes down to it though having a cool head in a situation like that is unlikely at best. Even if you have training once your animal instinct kicks in it's not going to end well for anyone. I think thats what we saw with the store clerk in NV....now if he could just stop talking he might be ok..

I understand what you're saying... and I agree for the most part... except for one aspect.
Why is it up to the victim to determine how many worms are in the can that the aggressor opened?

I think the clerk over-reacted... but that's in hindsight.
These three masked fucksticks walked in that shop with bad intentions... why is it up to the victim to determine the proper measured response when said fucksticks up the ante by jumping over the counter.
He gave them the opportunity to walk out peacefully. They chose not to and stepped up the aggression.

This one squarely falls in the "fuck around and find out" category.

We are being programmed to feel sorry for the criminals.

maui

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#94

A23 said:
I understand what you're saying... and I agree for the most part... except for one aspect.
Why is it up to the victim to determine how many worms are in the can that the aggressor opened?

I think the clerk over-reacted... but that's in hindsight.
These three masked fucksticks walked in that shop with bad intentions... why is it up to the victim to determine the proper measured response when said fucksticks up the ante by jumping over the counter.
He gave them the opportunity to walk out peacefully. They chose not to and stepped up the aggression.

This one squarely falls in the "fuck around and find out" category.

We are being programmed to feel sorry for the criminals.

you are 100% spot on. I'm just pointing out that the law may not be on your side. Honestly when that guy came into the store to rob it he signed his life over. The level of sympathy I have for him is the "find out" part of "fuck around".

my point is keep you mouth shut and lawyer up asap.

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#95

i think the clerk over did it...he had the smaller idiot in front pushing him ahead of him with ease. He continued to stab him , in areas he choose knowing the damage he was doing. I know , i know... and now hes flapping his mouth and might regret it.

BigGar

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#96

gsteve said:
i think the clerk over did it.

No such thing. He kept stabbing until his knife was empty, as he should have and had every right to do.

Your Car Is Slow

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#97

BigGar said:
No such thing. He kept stabbing until his knife was empty, as he should have and had every right to do.

if only there were a way the guy could have avoided being stabbed in the first place? amirite?

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#98

I'm seeing the other side ......a little bit.

But I'm still firmly on the self defense side.

it was a split second decision after the POS jumped the counter....I hear some of the argument regarding whether he had a weapon or not....but I don't believe he needs to wait and find out.

But he has to STFU and claim how much he feared for his life/safety.....

It will come down to a good attorney if charges are brought.

gobrian77

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#99

The guy who was stabbed looked like he was trying to retreat- he turned to his right and tried to run (giving up his back), and the counter worker kept coming after him. I don't think that's going to help his case either.

maui

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#100

gobrian77 said:
The guy who was stabbed looked like he was trying to retreat- he turned to his right and tried to run (giving up his back), and the counter worker kept coming after him. I don't think that's going to help his case either.

the retreating bad guy's testimony has as much chance of standing up in court as he does.

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