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You're just such a weird guy these days tin.
I stayed about the same, IMHO. Same question I asked the last time we met, slightly updated: If we were in the first year of Hillary Clinton's second term, what would we be doing differently?

Any time the person I wanted to be president lost the election, I never cried any end of the world woe is me shit that this cesspool is overflowing with these days.

Travel when and where I can/ feel like going.
Ride around.
Meet people.
Have a good time.
 

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I stayed about the same, IMHO. Same question I asked the last time we met, slightly updated: If we were in the first year of Hillary Clinton's second term, what would we be doing differently?

Any time the person I wanted to be president lost the election, I never cried any end of the world woe is me shit that this cesspool is overflowing with these days.

Travel when and where I can/ feel like going.
Ride around.
Meet people.
Have a good time.
I don't disagree with anything you've said, but I think the reason for the part that I made bold is the fact that our world has been heading in the general direction of Socialist shithole for a very long time, so you would likely view Trump's term as a tiny setback on the road to serfdom and hardly the end of the world.

Folks on the freedom and Constitutional side of things have been watching their version of the world coming to an end for a very long time. We thought things might be turning around a bit, but we were wrong. We're still fucked, which likely pleases you greatly.
 

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I think there’s a lot of people that don’t understand the deep state. This book is a pretty good spotlight
If that book basically says that the CIA told LBJ to just chill, and he would be president, then I probably need to read it. That's pretty much what happened, according to other shit I've read, and from having long talks with a JFK assassination expert.

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I don’t like the trajectory of the cases as deaths. Not looking good.

I thought vaccines were supposed to offer immunity. I never heard of somebody getting polio but with less symptoms.


 

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Who is taking liability for adverse reactions to the vaccine?

Is it still under emergency use authorization? Or are we jabbing 5 year olds with something unknown at this point?
 

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You haven't heard of polio period since it's eradication in 1979 due to widespread, mandated vaccinations.

Good thing polio happened back when people had sense, it would be raging like wildfire in 2021.
Yeah we will keep hearing about Covid because the vaccine does not work. People are still getting it. People that have been vaccinated. So even if everybody got this vaccine. It would still be raging like a wildfire.
 

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Yeah we will keep hearing about Covid because the vaccine does not work. People are still getting it. People that have been vaccinated. So even if everybody got this vaccine. It would still be raging like a wildfire.
The polio vaccine didn't guarantee anything either, but no vaccine does.

Both vaccines work tremendously.
 

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The polio vaccine didn't guarantee anything either, but no vaccine does.

Both vaccines work tremendously.
The polio vaccine works great. It stops you from getting it. It stops you from spreading it. The Rona Vaxx. Notsomuch. So I’m not sure how you can say it works great
 

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And again, just to point it out, because you obviously either missed it (I doubt that) or you are flat out spreading propaganda, the corona vaccine does not prevent you from getting spreading or dying of the vaccine
 

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The polio vaccine works great. It stops you from getting it. It stops you from spreading it. The Rona Vaxx. Notsomuch. So I’m not sure how you can say it works great
The polio vaccine works great, but I can tell that you have zero idea about the potential issues with polio vaccines, including the ability to spread it to unvaccinated people and potential for paralysis.

You're clueless.
 

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The polio vaccine works great, but I can tell that you have zero idea about the potential issues with polio vaccines, including the ability to spread it to unvaccinated people and potential for paralysis.

You're clueless.
You need to make up your mind.
You haven't heard of polio period since it's eradication in 1979 due to widespread, mandated vaccinations.

Good thing polio happened back when people had sense, it would be raging like wildfire in 2021.
unless Webster’s dictionary has changed it. Eradicated means completely gone
 

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The polio vaccine works great, but I can tell that you have zero idea about the potential issues with polio vaccines, including the ability to spread it to unvaccinated people and potential for paralysis.

You're clueless.
Your post isn't really telling us much of any value at all.

We all know that it's possible for someone to catch polio if they are not vaccinated, and we all most likely know one of the impacts of getting polio can be paralysis. It can also be just a sore throat, or nothing at all.

We haven't had an case which originated in this country for probably, what?.... 40 years? You don't hear about people in the US getting it. You hear about people in "shithole countries" getting it. Someone could (and has) brought it back to the US via travel, but since the polio vaccine works extremely well (unlike COVID vaccines), chances are almost zero that anyone in this country will get infected. And, since pretty much everyone in this country gets the polio vaccine regime when they are little tykes, and the vaccine lasts for a very long time, it's not really a concern here.

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Unvaccinated assholes can bring a disease into a population vaccinated against that disease.

Got it! :up:
 

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Unvaccinated assholes can bring a disease into a population vaccinated against that disease.

Got it! :up:
Yes, you do understand this. I applaud your comprehension skills.

There are these things called airplanes, and ships, and cars, and trucks, all of which can ferry an infected person from one location to another.

Transportation 101 class is dismissed.

Now, Vaccination 101 is in session. A shitty, low quality vaccine, such as the COVID vaccines, which are not as effective as, say the polio vaccine, (which has an extremely high 99+% efficacy), may not prevent inoculated people from catching the disease, and continuing the spread of said disease. Putting any political/social/financial bullshit aside, the COVID vaccines are not nearly as good as the polio vaccine in preventing their respective diseases. And I am not at all surprised. It was a knee-jerk reaction to a crisis which was in many ways, blown out of proportion. Solutions were rushed, and as a result, we have product which is not as good as it should be.

Vaccination 101 is dismissed.

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You need to make up your mind.

unless Webster’s dictionary has changed it. Eradicated means completely gone
Eradicated from the vast majority of the world minus a few areas. There were 22 cases in 2017, yet the vaccine is given to millions of infants every year.

What were you hoping to accomplish by being pedantic?

It can also be just a sore throat, or nothing at all.
True.

95% of polio infections are asymptomatic.

Compare that with 30-40% of Covid infections are asymptomatic.

Someone could (and has) brought it back to the US via travel, but since the polio vaccine works extremely well (unlike COVID vaccines), chances are almost zero that anyone in this country will get infected.
There doesn't exist any vaccine that makes you 100% invincible from getting a disease. I think that's a common misunderstanding by the general public.

A vaccine with even a 50% effectiveness rate is "effective" (minimum FDA standard, I believe) and is capable of ending a pandemic if 100% vaccinated. It's a numbers game. As the % of vaccinated population drops, the more effective the vaccine has to be. A 90% effective vaccine is still great.

Jonas Salks' vaccine, first given to school kids in the 50s, had an effectiveness rate that ranged from 60-94%, depending on the strain. Polio was eliminated not just because the vaccine was effective, but because, as you mentioned, everyone took it.

How many people take the vaccine is more important than how effective the vaccine is past a certain point - both polio and covid vaccines are beyond that point.

It was a knee-jerk reaction to a crisis which was in many ways, blown out of proportion.
Polio in it's worse year killed 3,000 people and paralyzed 21,000.

Covid killed 375,000 people in 2020. Even accounting for population in 1952 (156 million vs 330 million today), it's not even close.

You really think covid is blown out of proportion compared to polio?


A shitty, low quality vaccine, such as the Covid vaccine
It's funny you mention that. The sugar cube-type vaccine can/does cause an active form of the polio virus that will lead to paralysis. It's exceedingly rare, 3 out of a million doses given, but it happens.

You take the vaccine by mouth, it recombines in your gut, and you shit out a live and fully active virus, slightly different from the type normally seen in the wild but just as likely to paralyze. In some areas, there are more people getting sick with polio virus derived from the vaccine than the strain that people catch in the wild. Imagine if that came out about the covid vaccine :eek:

Not to mention the Cutter lab incident in the 50s where they fucked up a batch and gave 40,000 kids polio, paralyzing like 200-250 of them. Fortunately, the US moved onto the injectable which is safer.

I find it funny when vax skeptics hold up polio as some sort gold standard for vaccinations. Which it is, but not for the reasons they're arguing.

So anyway, what makes you say the covid vaccine is shitty? :D
 
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Well, it's efficacy falls fairly quickly, and vaccinated people are dropping like flies.

Kinda shitty.
What Gar said.

S.C.
Did you think you just needed one shot and you're 100% protected for life?

Vaccinations are given in multiple doses.

Tdap, 4 doses
Rota, 2 doses
HepB, 3 doses
Pcv13, 4 doses
Polio, 3 doses
HiB, 3 to 4 doses

And that's just the dosing for birth to 15 months! :eek:

You guys should look into the long term effectiveness of some of these vaccines. All of them drop over time. For example, pertussis (the P in the TDaP) will protect 3 or 4 out of 10 people after 4 years. That's 30-40%. And that's after 5 freaking doses, 4 of them within 15 months as an toddler.

What other vaccine are you comparing against such that you can confidently say the covid vaccine is "shitty"?
 

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I guess the thing is, those are all fairly dangerous diseases, and of course, I didn't have much say in whether or not I took it.
I happily got my first shingrix shot last week.
Shingles isn't particularly dangerous, other than maybe getting you hooked on opiates for the pain and taking a couple of months off work.
I still find the relative Covid danger / vaccine side effects / efficacy / government hard-sell off-putting enough to avoid it at all costs.
A 52 year old vaccinated friend in L.A. (obese) was diagnosed with Covid last week and died in his sleep a few days after testing positive.
My obese vaccinated aunt died a month ago of Covid, but she had so many co-morbidities that a stuffy nose might have put her over the edge.
My vaccinated brother has recovered, mostly from Covid a few weeks ago but his lungs are still not happy. His ten year old unvaccinated daughter weathered it without issue, 17 year old vaccinated son was quite ill for a few days but has recovered pretty much. 45 year old vaccinated wife, fairly heavy girl, has also mostly recovered.
I'm still happy to take my chances and attack it with full force should I get it.
 

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I have no issue with people who want the vax getting it. My issue is simply with some doddering fucktard who shits himself telling me I have to get it. Fortunately it appears that more and more court cases are going against him.
Yup. Gives “Let’s Go Brandon” a nice twist.
 

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A 52 year old vaccinated friend in L.A. (obese) was diagnosed with Covid last week and died in his sleep a few days

My obese vaccinated aunt died a month ago of Covid,
You won't find much on this from Google type source's, probably because it's an inconvenient fact that doesn't fit a popular medical narrative. I'm getting this from a medical foreign information source ( UK maybe ? really wish I had saved it ) that said the obese with Covid fell into two classes. The covid people that ate diets high with unsaturated fats where the one's most likely to die. Those who ate a diet with saturated fats did the best on survival. I took that to mean that the health minded eaters took a torpedo. The burger guys like you and me, got an extra and meaningful layer of bulletproofing by bad eating habits . It wasn't so much the fats themselves, but rather a particular acid the unsaturated fat generates in the body that causes organ failure in a covid environment. Someone here will no doubt come along to say that issue has been looked at and ratios were reported to be small _ and remind you to get the VAX because those same people that report the ratios are small _ are the same people saying the vax is good for you. lol

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You won't find much on this from Google type source's, probably because it's an inconvenient fact that doesn't fit a popular medical narrative. I'm getting this from a medical foreign information source ( UK maybe ? really wish I had saved it ) that said the obese with Covid fell into two classes. The covid people that ate diets high with unsaturated fats where the one's most likely to die. Those who ate a diet with saturated fats did the best on survival. I took that to mean that the health minded eaters took a torpedo. The burger guys like you and me, got an extra and meaningful layer of bulletproofing by bad eating habits . It wasn't so much the fats themselves, but rather a particular acid the unsaturated fat generates in the body that causes organ failure in a covid environment. Someone here will no doubt come along to say that issue has been looked at and ratios were reported to be small _ and remind you to get the VAX because those same people that report the ratios are small _ are the same people saying the vax is good for you. lol

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Well hell. I’m safe
 

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oh look...prevent 67 cases in kids...but actually cause 57 more.

net 10! "if it can save just one child!" #science
Not exactly true, as it's not the rate for all kids- it's the rate of Covid vs myocarditis for boys 5-11- it doesn't include girls (who have much lower rates of myocarditis- I'll add the chart and link below, which shows all six scenarios). It does look much better for girls than boys, that's for sure. The meme doesn't mention how many Covid cases it's estimated to prevent. The other numbers are also guesstimates based on current numbers (the lowest one being if Covid rates drop to 5% of what they were on September 21st of this year, in which case the dangers of myocarditis might outweigh the benefits of a vaccine). Some show vaccinations to be very efficacious, others not as much. At least they're showing both positive and negative aspects.


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