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I do a once a month Cov-19 drive through testing at Kaiser San Jose right after I’m done with my PT session for frozen shoulder
 

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Dad tested positive for covid. Twice vaxxed, cold symptoms only so far.

Ends the conversation by inviting me over for a beer, I said maybe give it a few days :lol:
 

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COVID origins: WHO ‘open to any and all scientific evidence’
UN health agency says latest investigation into origins of COVID-19 was inconclusive and more research must be done, including the possibility of a laboratory accident.


Health experts say further research is needed to determine how COVID-19 first began


"reseach" AHAAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHA
 

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Fauci Says Mask Mandates are About “Authority”

In the past, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Anthony Fauci has called the court ruling which overturned the airline mask mandate “disturbing” because he thinks it should be “a public health matter. . . not a judicial matter.”

He was basically saying that there should be no higher authority than public health officials. Courts should have no oversight on even the most blatantly illegal public health decisions.

In a recent Fox News interview, Fauci doubled-down on this opinion. He said that at this point, mask mandates aren’t about public health, but are instead about proving who has authority.

“It’s less about mandates on the plane than it is about who has the right and the authority and the capability of making public health decisions... It’s more a matter of principle of where the authority lies, than it is about whether or not there is going to be a mandate on a plane or not.”

It’s this elitist “we know better” mentality that has put the world at the mercy of idiotic and power-hungry public health officials for the past two years.
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Dr Fauci, renowned pandemic adviser, tests positive for COVID

Dr Fauci, 81, who serves as chief medical adviser to President Joe Biden, tested positive during a rapid antigen test. The NIH said Fauci, who is vaccinated and double boosted, had not been in recent contact with Biden.
 

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STORY AT-A-GLANCE
  • COVID-19 is clearly no longer an emergency. The real emergency now is the continued use of the COVID “vaccines,” because they’re creating injuries on a level that is truly alarming and unprecedented. VAERS data reveal the COVID jabs have caused more harm in 18 months than all other vaccines on the market, combined, over the past three decades
  • Raw data from the Pfizer trial also show the shots were associated with an increased risk for death from the start, and both Pfizer and the FDA knew it
  • Data also show highly “vaccinated” and boosted nations are now experiencing record case and death rates from COVID compared to countries with low injection rates
  • We’re now finding the COVID shots have negative efficacy, meaning, if you have received the shot and are exposed to COVID, you are more likely to get sick, not less likely, compared to someone who is unvaccinated
  • The Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) has developed a protocol for those injured by the COVID jabs called I-RECOVER, which you can download from covid19criticalcare.com in several different languages

 

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Germany considers making mask-wearing COMPULSORY from October to March in restaurants, bars and shops to battle Covid this winter
  • German government considering return to compulsory mask wearing indoors
  • Plan would apply from October to March, Germany newspaper Die Welt report
  • Drastic measure would be intended to reduce tackle a winter Covid wave
  • Plans will come as disappointment to 80m Germans enjoying post-Covid life
 
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6 people I know up in NYC got it in the last week.. one got it bad the others are 3 to 5 days and are done with it. Your results may vary..
 

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Please pick up the phone as soon as you read this and call your California State Assembly Member and ask them to VOTE NO on SB 866, the minor consent bill allowing minor children to consent to vaccination on their own without parental consent.
Tell them to not be fooled by the amendment that changed the age from 12 to 15, these are still minors, and they need their parents and they need the law protecting them from being the subject of targeted coercion by adults grooming the children to go behind their parents backs! This dangerous and predatory bill is destructive to the parent child relationship and can put the child’s health at risk when parents have valid safety reasons for delaying or declining a vaccine for their child.
SB 866 is listed as item 41 on the daily file for Monday, June 20th. It is located on page 110: https://www.assembly.ca.gov/pdfpublications/dailyfile. We need you to make calls ASAP!
If you do not know who your California assembly member is, login to the NVIC Advocacy Portal at http://NVICAdvocacy.org. Click on “Who Represents Me” on the home page or “My State” on the STATE TEAMS tab. Your personal state legislators are listed on the bottom of the page. You can click on your legislators’ names to get phone numbers, emails, and even links to their social media to connect to them.
You can also click here to find out who your California state legislators are.
The vote to approve the amendment was 38 Yes, 22 No and 19 No Votes Recorded. This bill has already passed the Senate so we need to stop it in the Assembly. They need 41 YES votes to pass the bill, so you have to work harder than Pharma to make sure your Assembly Member votes NO on SB 866 even with the amendment!
If you want more information on this bill including referenced talking points, please go to the NVIC Advocacy Portal at NVIC Advocacy Home and click on the Action Alert and Bill posting on the California State Page.
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We need your help in opposing a very bad vaccine bill that has continued to move forward. AB 1797 is scheduled for a hearing in the Senate Health Committee on Wednesday, June 22nd, at 1:30 PM at 1021 O Street, Room 2100. Click here to see the hearing agenda.
AB 1797 is a huge expansion of mandated unconsented government surveillance and tracking of race and vaccination status for all ages. The bill is sponsored by Assembly Member Weber and Senator Pan. AB 1797 would expand current law, California Health and Safety Code Sec. 120440, governing the vaccine tracking system known as the California Immunization Registry (CAIR). This progressive expansion of surveillance will be used to further enforce vaccination.
[BILL HISTORY: AB 1797 passed the Assembly in a 54-20 vote with 4 NVR (no votes recorded) on 5/26/2022. Previously, AB 1797 passed the Assembly Committees on Health (10-3 vote with 2 NVR on 4/26/2022), Education (5-2 vote on 4/27/2022), and Appropriations (12-4 vote on 5/19/2022).]
ACTION NEEDED
1) Contact members of the Senate Health Committee and ask them to oppose AB 1797. Please see below for talking points to use when communicating with them.
Senator Richard Pan (Chair): 916-651-4006
Senator Melissa A. Melendez (Vice Chair): 916-651-4028
Senator Susan Talamantes Eggman: 916-651-4005
Senator Lena A. Gonzalez: 916-651-4033
Senator Shannon Grove: 916-651-4016
Senator Melissa Hurtado: 916-651-4014
Senator Connie M. Leyva: 916-651-4020
Senator Monique Limón: 916-651-4019
Senator Richard D. Roth: 916-651-4031
Senator Susan Rubio: 916-651-4022
Senator Scott D. Wiener: 916-651-4011
Emails: (copy and paste into the "to" field in your email program)
senator.pan@senate.ca.gov, senator.melendez@senate.ca.gov, senator.talamanteseggman@senate.ca.gov, senator.gonzalez@senate.ca.gov, senator.grove@senate.ca.gov, senator.hurtado@senate.ca.gov, senator.leyva@senate.ca.gov, senator.limon@senate.ca.gov, senator.roth@senate.ca.gov, senator.rubio@senate.ca.gov, senator.wiener@senate.ca.gov
2) Contact your state senator directly and ask him or her to oppose AB 1797. Please see talking points below.
If you do not know who your California state senator is, login to the NVIC Advocacy Portal at http://NVICAdvocacy.org. Click on “Who Represents Me” on the home page or “My State” on the STATE TEAMS tab. Your personal state legislators are listed on the bottom of the page. You can click on your legislators’ names to get phone numbers, emails, and even links to their social media to connect to them.
You can also click here to find out who your California state legislators are.
3) If you are able, attend the hearing for AB 1797 and state your opposition to the bill. AB 1797 is scheduled for a hearing in the Senate Health Committee on Wednesday, June 22nd, at 1:30 PM at 1021 O Street, Room 2100. Click here to see the hearing agenda.
If you attend, please be prepared to briefly state your name and position on AB 1797. Public testimony is limited in California legislative committees, which is why the most important thing you can do is submit a position letter or contact committee members directly. However, it is still important that many people are in the room and make their opposition known by registering opposition in person.
4) Please share this email with family and friends, or you can ask them to go to NVIC Advocacy Homeon the California state page, and click on the alert for AB 1797.
5) Sign up to get California "Heads Up" text alerts by texting "California" to 202-618-5488.
6) Sign-Up/Login to the NVIC Advocacy Portal OFTEN to check for updates. NVIC Advocacy Home. We review bills and make updates daily. Bills can change many times over the legislative process and your timely visits, calls, and emails directed at the correct legislators are critical to this process.
 

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TALKING POINTS, WHY AB 1797 SHOULD BE OPPOSED (Please personalize to share how this bill affects you and your family):

OPPOSE AB 1797, which significantly expands and mandates unconsented government surveillance and tracking of vaccination status and race for all ages.
The state vaccine tracking system is a waste of taxpayer money duplicating what is already stored in electronic medical records. It should be shut down, not expanded. AB 1797 should also be opposed for the following reasons:
AB 1797 Mandates Reporting of Personal Private Information Without Consent to the State Vaccine Tracking System and the State Health Department
· Current law, California Health and Safety Code Sec. 120440(c) states health care providers, and other agencies, including, but not limited to, schools, child care facilities, service providers for the California Special Supplemental Food Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), health care plans, foster care agencies, and county welfare departments, may disclose a list of 10 data points from a patient’s private medical records or a client's records with local health departments operating countywide or regional immunization information and reminder systems and the State Department of Public Health.
· AB 1797 changes may to "shall", mandating the reporting of this personal information by all of these entities to both the state tracking system CAIR and the State Department of Health.
· There are health care providers who don’t believe it is an appropriate function of government to operate a centralized government vaccine tracking and enforcement database, and have chosen not to participate, but now they are forced to have to report their patients and their private information to the government under this bill making them agents of state government surveillance.
· There are 69 total core data elements that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention promote for collection and storage by vaccine tracking systems. Included in this information are vaccine exemptions and encounters where patients refuse vaccination. This is going too far. While AB 1797 mandates the reporting of 11 points, the reporting is not confined to these 11 points making this system one that is being set up to be punitive towards anyone not wanting to use a vaccine.
AB 1797 Expands Mandated Tracking to Include Race or Ethnicity
· AB 1797 adds race or ethnicity to the current list of data points that must be reported. This will allow state and local government to target racial and ethnic groups that may not want to use a vaccine with compliance and enforcement measures.
· There are individuals from various ethnic and racial backgrounds as well as individuals and families wanting to decline vaccination, especially the COVID-19 vaccine, that do not want their racial or ethnic background or their vaccination status tracked by the government period.
· According to this article by The San Diego Union-Tribune, San Diego leaders, Educators unveil new legislation to update statewide vaccine registry, San Diego Unified Pediatrician Dr. Howard Taras said the proposed legislation will create a demographic profile, requiring providers to include race and ethnicity information, to help determine which communities need more education and assistance with vaccinations.
· A report from The National Vaccine Advisory Committee titled, Advancing Immunization Equity: Recommendations from the National Vaccine Advisory Committee, claims that as these systems evolve, they could use them to gain even more specific data on locations and populations with low vaccine rates using geomapping to help tailor interventions. They also claim that additional groups may be targeted in the future such as, the disabled, institutionalized, incarcerated, LGBT, and homeless people to facilitate the use of IIS data all in the name of “immunization equity”.
· This type of profiling and intrusion is discriminatory and is not wanted or needed.
Mandated Data Collected Is in State Vaccine Tracking System for Life and Private, Personal information is Never Removed
· The vaccine registry/tracking system CAIR retains everyone’s information for life, it is never removed.
· One can only ask that their personal information or that of their child’s in the immunization registry not be shared.
· An option to not share data does nothing to alleviate the concerns of those whose objection is government tracking.
· A more appropriate name for this tracking system would be the “Hotel California Immunization and Race Registry” because you can “check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.”
· Until California only tracks the information of those who give opt-in informed consent to being tracked by the government, an expansion leading to this degree of unconsented surveillance should be strongly rejected by California lawmakers.
AB 1797 Compromises Privacy Rights
· Federal law, The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) 45 CFR 164.512(b)(1)(i), allows disclosure of private and protected health information without knowledge or consent for conducting public health surveillance, investigations, or interventions. This includes information in state vaccine registries and tracking systems including CAIR that can be used to identify individuals and/or groups of people who are not vaccinated with all doses of all the federally recommended or state required vaccines so interventions can be applied.
· The only privacy protection for immunization information held by public schools is currently provided by FERPA (The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act). 34 CFR Part 99.30 requires prior written parental consent before personally identifiable information (PII) is disclosed and requires schools to provide copies of those records disclosed.
· If vaccine information is collected by CAIR instead of being submitted to the school, FERPA privacy protections have been circumvented and no longer apply.
· Confidentiality does not mean privacy. If state or federal law or rule requires that information be kept “confidential,” it still allows for any disclosures permitted by law.
Requires Multiple Entities to Perform Intrusive Vaccine Checkpoints
· AB 1797 bill also requires schools, childcare facilities, family childcare homes, and county human services agencies, in the event of a public health emergency, to perform immunization status assessments of pupils, adults, and clients.
· Current law only allows for the compilation and dissemination of statistical information of immunization status on groups of patients or clients or populations in California, without identifying information for these patients or clients included in these groups or populations.
· This new section would mandate schools determine individual vaccination status for COVID-19 or any other future vaccine required during a public health emergency creating another added layer of surveillance and additional burdens for schools.
· In fact, a California court ruled in late April that individual school boards are not legally authorized to mandate new vaccines. The school which was the defendant in the suit chose to repeal their COVID-19 vaccine mandate.
· COVID-19 vaccines are not currently required to attend school in California so schools are not required to keep those records. This bill would require schools to verify individual vaccination status for COVID through CAIR

Sincerely,
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The fight to contain Britain's polio outbreak: Search for virus source begins and NHS starts contacting parents of unvaccinated children - as it emerges it was first detected in February
  • Great Britain was pronounced clear of polio in 2003 with last case found in 1984
  • Now the NHS are launching a campaign to contain the disease by contacting the parents of unvaccinated children after health chiefs declared a national incident
  • The UK's health service is starting up a major drive of children's polio vaccines


The UK Health Security Agency believes a traveller, possibly from Pakistan, Afghanistan or Nigeria, shed the virus in their faeces after being given a live oral polio vaccine during an outbreak.
 

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Round three...

Positive test..

My third time Getting it with in a year... two shots of Pfizer.


Symptoms for the last week where cough that has now stopped.. and a sore throat.. that is still with me. Only strange thing is lack of sleep ... but that may or may not be related....

Treating it with cough drops only.

No other symptoms.

I'll keeping a good record of time length severity along with my primary..

So far I'm not dead due to Covid.
 
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The 97 year old aunt came down with the Covid a couple of days ago.

Anti-viral treatment and we see what happens.

They've had an outbreak of it over the past couple of weeks at the nursing home, with a random few coming down with it.

I was supposed to go see her this weekend and her daughter today but, not now as the daughter says we shouldn't because she was exposed.

If the 97 year old survives or dies, my mind won't be changed about this virus and my choices on dealing with it.
 

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The 97 year old aunt came down with the Covid a couple of days ago.

Anti-viral treatment and we see what happens.

They've had an outbreak of it over the past couple of weeks at the nursing home, with a random few coming down with it.

I was supposed to go see her this weekend and her daughter today but, not now as the daughter says we shouldn't because she was exposed.

If the 97 year old survives or dies, my mind won't be changed about this virus and my choices on dealing with it.
Paxlovid can be a mf'er, strong drugs. It gave me the shits, and I could tell I took the pills afterwards. Best of luck to your Aunt
 

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STORY AT-A-GLANCE
  • Pfizer classified almost all severe adverse events that occurred during its Phase 3 trials as unrelated to the injection. A 2,566-page document catalogues serious adverse events and six deaths during the trial. These events were all classified as “toxicity level 4,” which is the most serious, yet none of them was deemed related to the injection
  • Examples of Level 4 adverse events — all of which were written off as “not related” to the mRNA injection — include acute respiratory failure, cardiac arrest, brain abscess, adrenal carcinoma (adrenal cancer) and chronic myeloid leukemia (blood and bone marrow cancer)
  • Most Level 3 adverse events were also dismissed as unrelated to the shot. Only a small number were listed as related. Examples of Level 3 side effects include tachycardia (disruption of the normal electrical impulses that control your heart rate — the very problem that underlies most cases of “sudden adult death syndrome” or SADS) and ventricular arrhythmia (abnormal heart rhythm that makes the lower chambers twitch rather than pump — another underlying cause of SADS)
  • A reanalysis of data from the Pfizer and Moderna COVID vaccine trials found that, combined, Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 jabs were associated with a risk increase of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 vaccinated. Meanwhile, the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization was only 2.3 per 10,000 participants for Pfizer and 6.4 per 10,000 for Moderna
  • Whether intentional or not, mounting evidence now indicate the COVID-19 injections will result in depopulation through premature death and adverse effects on fertility in women and men alike. Research from Israel reveals the shot deteriorates sperm count and sperm motility in men for about three months post-jab

This simply isn't believable. It's completely unrealistic, especially when serious events occur in multiple participants. A handful of examples of Level 4 adverse events listed in this document — all of which were written off as "not related" to the mRNA injection — include:5
  • Acute respiratory failure
  • Cardiac arrest
  • Brain abscess
  • Adrenal carcinoma (adrenal cancer)
  • Chronic myeloid leukemia (blood and bone marrow cancer)




 

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Through the pandemic, public health officials have taken some ridiculous actions with their “health” powers.


In some cases they barred people from accessing their own property, and in others locked them inside their homes.


They threatened to cut off utilities to businesses which didn’t shut down, threatened to separate families, and tried to force parents to be vaccinated to keep custody of their kids.


Don’t even get me started on Australia’s COVID concentration camps and walled-off towns.


It was all supposedly in pursuit of following “the science”.


COVID Warlord Anthony Fauci was the leading cheerleader in the US for mandatory mask policies and draconian lockdowns.


But when Texas refused to shut down or mask up, Fauci shrugged and said he was “not really quite sure” why COVID cases in Texas didn’t skyrocket, as he had ominously predicted. Yet despite being a man of science, Fauci wasn’t interested in finding out why he was so wrong.


You probably also remember when Fauci tried to con everyone into wearing two masks, instead of just one. Asked about the specific science behind this recommendation, Fauci said, “you put another layer on, it just makes common sense.”


Hold on — are we doing science, with the experimental method and rigorous studies, or are we doing what one person considers common sense?


Fauci also predicted in December of 2021 that the Omicron variant would cause record COVID hospitalizations and deaths.


The Biden Administration warned that we were heading into a “winter of severe illness and death for the unvaccinated – for themselves, their families and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm.”


Those predictions didn’t pan out either.


When courts finally ruled that the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) overstepped its bounds with a mask mandate on airplanes, we found out that these government orders were never about public health or science at all...


Fauci admitted that “It’s more a matter of principle of where the authority lies, than it is about whether or not there is going to be a mandate on a plane or not.”


Now these same public health officials (and their media lapdogs) are responding to the scariest new threat: monkeypox!


“The science” shows that the disease is spreading mostly through skin to skin contact at places like raves and orgies.


Both the CDC and UK Health Security Agency say that the disproportionate majority of cases have thus far been found among gay men.


And by the way, according to the (Chinese) World Health Organization, Monkeypox has a fatality between 3-6%, which is higher than COVID-19.


So, given the specific risks to the gay community of this extremely fatal disease, you’d think that the government would have followed their own COVID playbooks and canceled gay pride month.


Or at least they would have banned all the pride parties and parades held throughout June, which was the peak of the Monkeypox outbreak. That’s what the “science” said.


But of course they didn’t do that. Canceling PRIDE MONTH would have been extremely un-woke.


So instead, the CDC released guidelines on “Social Gatherings, Safer Sex and Monkeypox.”


One section is entitled, “How can a person lower the chance of getting Monkeypox at places like raves, parties, clubs, and festivals?”


Unlike with COVID where the CDC demanded we all cower in fear at home, with Monkeypox during Pride Month, they had a totally different answer.


If people are going to pile into sweaty, steamy mosh pits, “where there is minimal clothing and where there is direct, personal, often skin-to-skin contact” the CDC advises to “avoid any rashes or sores you see on others and consider minimizing skin-to-skin contact when possible.”
 

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This ends when we the people stand up and say "No more"
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Exactly, the governments on all levels have us firmly planted in a quicksand of legislated control that is becoming a slide into a bottomless trap. Freedom is disappearing with every correction, in the name of a better society. It's getting to be there is almost nothing they don't control, require, demand, tax or bully under threat of punishment. you can't even speak your mind anymore, without a political or legal implication if they deem it against their rigged society.

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How Vaccine Trials Routinely Rig the Results

STORY AT-A-GLANCE
  • The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has adopted a “Future Framework” scheme that will allow Pfizer and Moderna to reformulate and release updated COVID shots without conducting any additional clinical trials
  • This Framework will allow completely untested, reformulated COVID injections to be churned out; the elimination of clinical trial requirements may also, over time, be expanded to other vaccines and drugs
  • The “Future Framework” will almost certainly guarantee that future COVID shots be less effective and/or more dangerous, because adding more mRNA (to cover more variants) will result in higher adverse event rates, and less mRNA per variant will lower the effectiveness
  • Over the years, we’ve seen plenty of examples of how vaccine trials are being rigged, and that the “Future Framework” is an extreme expansion and formalization of that rigging
  • Not recording injuries, or recording them improperly, are a common tactic used to fudge results and make a vaccine appear safer than it is. Another common strategy is to exclude any parameter that turns out to be problematic, and that includes participants who are injured. Because this is such a common trick, the fact that 3,000 of the 4,526 children (aged 6 months through 4 years) enrolled in Pfizer’s pediatric COVID trial were excluded is a huge red flag
What the FDA did instead was to smuggle the policy question in disguised as a vote about reformulated ‘boosters’ for the fall.
In essence, the FDA just started doing the Future Framework (picking variants willy nilly, skipping clinical trials) and essentially dared the committee members to turn down a booster dose — knowing that all of the VRBPAC members are hand-picked because they’ve never met a vaccine they did not like.

 

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Yes, there are and the consequences have been stacking up for a while now so, hide and watch for what happens next.
You got that right Wretch........and we all know what the consequences will look like. It most likely won't be pretty.
 

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Yes, there are and the consequences have been stacking up for a while now so, hide and watch for what happens next.
You got that right Wretch........and we all know what the consequences will look like. It most likely won't be pretty.
Ooooo, you boys talking bout a good 'ol civil war?

Maybe some librul killing and lynching?

Don't be coy, boys.....just come out and say it. Daddy Disco can take it.
 

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Ooooo, you boys talking bout a good 'ol civil war?

Maybe some librul killing and lynching?

Don't be coy, boys.....just come out and say it. Daddy Disco can take it.
Not anything that I want there.

I don't expect or desire a civil war but, I expect there will be flare ups and violent outbreaks...

...by people with much less patience and reasoning than myself, on both sides, and I really wish it wasn't so.

You cannot push people into a corner, tell them they are bad because of "reasons" and expect them to just take it.

It has been the same for any and all groups who have been done this way.

History will continue to repeat itself because it takes so long for each generation to learn that being civil to one another is the only way to have a civil society...
...and that lesson gets lost over time due to the distractions of life so, a great many have to learn it again, the hard way.

It is about hurt feelings and behaviors of those who lack self control or awareness of self,
who finger point and blame another group who they deem guilty of being the cause all of their personal problems...
...instead of solving their own personal issues with themselves First and not concerning themselves with the harmless thoughts, opinions and practices of others.

Just like washing a cup, where do you start when washing it?

"Oh no, someone doesn't like me or my manners that I parade about with in the open, daily and that hurts my feelings!
I should get with the media, start a campaign to rally more people who think like me, then we'll make a PAC and make sure to get some laws created so that,
everyone has to accept my chosen way of life, by Law, and if they don't; we'll make them pay for oppressing my tribe so unfairly by not liking us or our behaviors!"

If common sense were common, there would be no issues or "threats" of violence to be concerned about...
...save for the mentally/emotionally unwell of all groups of people, that will always be around.

No, I don't want a civil war or any conflict whatsoever for me or my loved ones but, I won't be physically threatened/assaulted and not respond.

Does that clear things up for you or is there something in there that you'd like to twist around to say what I did not say?
 

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Not anything that I want there.

I don't expect or desire a civil war but, I expect there will be flare ups and violent outbreaks...

...by people with much less patience and reasoning than myself, on both sides, and I really wish it wasn't so.

You cannot push people into a corner, tell them they are bad because of "reasons" and expect them to just take it.

It has been the same for any and all groups who have been done this way.

History will continue to repeat itself because it takes so long for each generation to learn that being civil to one another is the only way to have a civil society...
...and that lesson gets lost over time due to the distractions of life so, a great many have to learn it again, the hard way.

It is about hurt feelings and behaviors of those who lack self control or awareness of self,
who finger point and blame another group who they deem guilty of being the cause all of their personal problems...
...instead of solving their own personal issues with themselves First and not concerning themselves with the harmless thoughts, opinions and practices of others.

Just like washing a cup, where do you start when washing it?

"Oh no, someone doesn't like me or my manners that I parade about with in the open, daily and that hurts my feelings!
I should get with the media, start a campaign to rally more people who think like me, then we'll make a PAC and make sure to get some laws created so that,
everyone has to accept my chosen way of life, by Law, and if they don't; we'll make them pay for oppressing my tribe so unfairly by not liking us or our behaviors!"

If common sense were common, there would be no issues or "threats" of violence to be concerned about...
...save for the mentally/emotionally unwell of all groups of people, that will always be around.

No, I don't want a civil war or any conflict whatsoever for me or my loved ones but, I won't be physically threatened/assaulted and not respond.

Does that clear things up for you or is there something in there that you'd like to twist around to say what I did not say?

everything was fine right up until we let the IRISH in. :biting: :biting: :biting:
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just returned last night from family vacation, wife felt like shit....tested positive today.

got a call from sister in law who was with us and her entire family on said vacation at beach house....her and hubby are positive as well.

and im feeling the sniffles. good times!
 
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