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That article is 100% useless for my circumstances.
Watch out once you are about a month in on the injections, you will want sex day and night like a horny 18 year oldI've read this thread with earnest. As you guys know, I have felt (and started a thread here) that my T level was low. I had it tested about a year and a half ago and my "number" came back at 349, which was about 100 points above the bottom of the range that Kaiser uses (240 ng/dL). I stated that I felt it was to low to be acceptable, since the range was 240 - 900 for men of ages 18 - 99. Unfortunately, Kaiser doesn't budge on their protocols and since I was above the low end of the range I was considered "normal".
A year later and I again told my Doctor I felt that I had virtually no sex drive left. It wasn't that the equipment didn't function, I just didn't have the desire. This has been an issue in my marriage because, as anyone would feel, when your partner doesn't "want to" you feel it has to do with you (or maybe your partner wants someone else). This is how my wife was feeling, and it was breaking my heart. I love her with every fiber of my being, but my sex drive was/is just gone. I have no desire to even watch any porn (not that I watch much anyway). Long story short, my Doc sent me in for another round of blood work. I received my results last night, and this time my T level test came back with a note stating "See Free T results". Well, my "Free T" was at 61.1 pg/ml, which my Doc confirmed was low. His note simply states "Your testosterone level is low. Please let me know if you want me to start you on testosterone patches or injections". I've replied back requesting injections, and I'm waiting on his reply.
As far as my other blood work results I'm the picture of health, believe it or not.
No idea my friend......once you get the patches and have them for a month tell them they irritate your skin or you sweat a lot so they fall off. At this point you can tell them you prefer injections. T is well regulated, they will not give you enough at one time that you can do anything with it. I get 2 cc's at a time and have to call in my prescription every two weeks1 month of injections... what's that translate to in patches? Never?
There are likely a dozen or more TRT-specific clinics in Ohio- Google them- they will 100% help you out. These places are run by male doctors who are all on T themselves and know what they're doing- more importantly, they know what you're looking for as far as general health goes as they have the same basic experience as you. No offense to your doctor, but she physically understands what it feels like to be low on (and need) T as much as you understand what it's like to go through menopause.I guess it's good news / bad news for me this morning. Good news is that my doctor wrote the Rx for a supplement.
The bad news (apparently... according to you guys) is that she ordered the patch, despite my specifically stating a preference for the vials. I spoke with her assistant this morning and expressed my disappointment with that choice. She said she understands, but the doctor prefers the patch because of the ease of use and uniform dosing.
So what's the downside to the patch? That it doesn't raise levels much? I think she's concerned that I would overdo it if she ordered vials for me. That, and she wants to raise my T level to just above the minimum of the "normal" range, rather than raising it to somewhere around the midpoint of that range.
Maybe I could put all the patches on at once...
Yeah, she discouraged me from supplementing in 2012 when I believed it was needed, so I'm surprised she's even willing to try this at all.There are likely a dozen or more TRT-specific clinics in Ohio- Google them- they will 100% help you out. These places are run by male doctors who are all on T and know what they're doing- more importantly, they know what you're looking for as far as general health goes as they have the same general experience as you. No offense to your doctor, but she physically understands what it feels like to be low on (and need) T as much as you understand what it's like to go through menopause.
I just had my PSA checked yesterday via blood work and have an appointment with the endocrinologist in the next few days to go over the results. Don’t miss those tests!Have a phone appointment with my Doc tomorrow morning. In his email to me he gave me the option of patch or injectable. I asked for injectable.
EDIT** - So I got a follow up email form my Doc. Looks like I'll be getting the vials and the needles to stick myself every two weeks. He said he's ordered bloodwork panels for my T levels and prostate to be checked every 3 months for the next 5 years, so I'm assuming this is a 5 year prescription?
I see myself on a similar path.I asked for injectable..Mine gave me gel.
Then I had a newborn son so I couldnt hold him unless I had a shirt on.
So they gave me pills..... and they sucked as well. The absorption of pills and patches is low versus injectable..
A little research showed the dosage was 1/4 of a normal dose.....I was livid.
So I went to the black market and started using that.
Havent come off and never will.
It saved my marriage and it saved me from imploding....my moods levelled, I performed better at work, in the gym and in bed.
Doctors are fucking idiots.....they are happy to see you live a barely acceptable life....find one that wants you to live an optimal life.
My take, as well.Oh, I think ANYTHING will be better than nothing. But it won't be as good as it could be.
The wife tells me there's a whole gluten-free aisle at the grocery store. I've read online that all that stuff tastes like cardboard.I think there is a decent infrastructure these days for gluten free diets.
10000%The wife tells me there's a whole gluten-free aisle at the grocery store. I've read online that all that stuff tastes like cardboard.
I don't want to be the sissy that can't eat this and can't eat that, but I am fuuuucked up after 10+ years of this shit. I can't go on like this. I'll eat cardboard every day.
Don't reseal the vials- fill up two syringes (or however many you use from that amount), and store them capped for when you need one next. I've been using glass 1ml ampoules (which can't be resealed) for 18 months, and I fill up and store four syringes per vial, which lasts me two weeks (fill with and dump your 18g, and then put the 22g on without removing the needle cap). Just keep everything clean and sterilized while you're filling them (I have a small tray that I use for the set-up, and I wipe it down with alcohol before starting- zero issues, and it's pretty common for people who are stuck using small, non-resealable containers to go this route).Got my scripts today. Six 200mg/ml vials, six syringes, six 18gx1" needles, and six 22gx1.5" needles. The script says only .5 ml per dose, and to throw away the other .5ml of T. WTF?! Seems like a fucking waste! Supposed to keep this stuff at room temp. I think I'll seal up the vials once I draw the .5ml out of'em and save them for later. I fear doing the whole vial per dose will bump my levels up too fast and then the Doc will end the 'script.
Also, the Pharmacist didn't give me much info on how to stick myself, or where. Just said to make an appointment with the injection clinic and they would walk me through the process. I'm sure I can Google that shit.
The insurance company is not - you're free to pay out of pocket for whatever your doctor writes for (hence the GoodRX app with the discount).How the fuck can they stand in the way of me purchasing something at full price?
How the fuck can they stand in the way of me purchasing something at full price?
Believe it or not, they are. But that's another story for another day.The insurance company is not - you're free to pay out of pocket for whatever your doctor writes for (hence the GoodRX app with the discount).
Don't fast, and draw after 3 PM.Believe it or not, they are. But that's another story for another day.
Meanwhile, I got a call back from my doctor's assistant, who received clarification from the insurance company on the denial of authorization. Turns out, the insurance company covers this treatment but they require blood draws confirming low T on consecutive days.
So I need two more blood draws. What do I need to do to make sure they don't get artificially high readings, other than not walking into the lab with morning wood?
I just got a 100 pack of single use 1ml plastic syringes. Figure I'll draw it with the 18g needle and then cap it and store it in the medicine cabinet until I need it. Swap a clean 22g needle fresh outta the package in and inject. I thought Brian had alluded to the fact that once the rubber cap is pierced I shouldn't store it in the vial.You'll get good at drawing it into the syringes. What type of vials did you get that you can't just put them away until next time you need a shot? I get a 20ml vial with the rubber thing in the top. I just keep it in the medicine cabinet and give it a little alcohol wipe before sticking a new needle into draw out the dose.
Some vials with rubber caps are specially made to be 'multi-use' (meaning the rubber cap can be pierced multiple times with no sterility issues). Many guys here get 10ml vials, which, due to the amount, are meant to be used over time and are built to take multiple sticks with a needle. Since you were specifically told to dump the vial after drawing, it sounds like you got 'single-use' vials (which are like the ampoules I use), which are meant to be disposed of once the seal is broken, but you can fill up from it with more than one needle provided you do it in a short time-frame and don't let it sit around.I just got a 100 pack of single use 1ml plastic syringes. Figure I'll draw it with the 18g needle and then cap it and store it in the medicine cabinet until I need it. Swap a clean 22g needle fresh outta the package in and inject. I thought Brian had alluded to the fact that once the rubber cap is pierced I shouldn't store it in the vial.
I pin high glute.Okay, giving myself the first shot tonight. Those of you on TRT, where do you inject? Thigh? Deltoid? Glute? High glute?
And is taking the shot in the AM or PM better? Or does it even matter?
Over 200 shots so far, not one lump. Look into it (Google 'Testosterone IM vs SubQ')- there's loads of info, and the lower vascularity of fat vs muscle means a more consistent movement of T into the bloodstream (ultimate levels will be the same over time with both methods, but average levels will be more steady with subQ). It's much easier to inject yourself as well.You raally pin subq?
Do you get a lump ?
I was "scared" to try pinning myself in the glute, so I hit quad probably 5 or 6 times total....by the last time I was pretty sure I was going to the hospital.Wow, thanks for the heads up. I was gonna do thigh, but I'll do high glute instead.