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yes wild guesses. $100k is not a crazy speculation any more. If it gets there this year, then obviously a lot more room to grow
 
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TINA = There is No Alternative
Uber, for example, has never turned a profit. Its operating cash flow has totaled NEGATIVE $11 billion over the past five years with no end in sight. Yet its stock is worth roughly $100 billion.

SnapChat similarly has lost billions of dollars over the years. Yet its stock is worth nearly $80 billion.
Even stocks that are profitable are trading at absurd valuations.
I know its sacrilege to criticize Tesla… but let’s be honest-- even though the company finally had a full year of positive Free Cash Flow, the stock is trading at an unbelievable 1600x earnings.
In fact MOST of the market is overvalued; the current P/E ratio of the S&P 500 is nearly FORTY (versus a long-term average of 15).

But gold is DOWN.
This makes gold one of the only major assets to fall over the past five months.

The larger point is that this TINA mentality is total nonsense. It seems obvious that gold is a very credible alternative when so many other assets are overvalued.

Gold is a credible hedge, but I dont think it can have the upside potential of BTC
 

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and finally able to initiate a transfer of the last 5k from robinhood this morning...will see how long THAT takes to electronically move to my bank account.

i see for whatever reason they kept 25 bucks or so and wouldnt let me take the account to zero.
 

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When you say ETH is that a single stock one can buy or are you referring to all digital currency?
 
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leverage 100x Crap is still shitcoins! - says the PROFESSOR
Blockchain is no better than a spreadsheet - says the PROFESSOR

and kids run up decades long debt to learn from people like this... pfffff

 
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Paypal has made it stupid easy to "buy bitcoin and more". I put $700 in recently just to see how it goes. I'm currently up $121 in about 3 weeks. Fun to watch.
 
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Tesla buys $1.5 billion in bitcoin and plans to start accepting it as payment for products

I guess Elon reads my threads too!
 
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Elon Musk. Everything pumped today.

I don't think we'll see a dump.

Short sellers will lose again.

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Currently, around 78 percent of issued bitcoin are either lost or being “hodled”. This leaves less than four million bitcoins to be shared among future market entrants

Bitcoin is already up 67 percent this year, on top of a 300-percent rally last year, as investors search for alternatives to the dollar because of the United States Federal Reserve’s zero-percent interest rates. The dollar slid against most currencies on Tuesday.

Bitcoin’s volatility has also been a hindrance for some serious investors and a sticking point in using it for transactions. Realised volatility, or daily price swings measured in terms of closing prices for bitcoin over the past 90 days, was at 72 percent, compared with 16 percent for the S&P 500 stocks index and 6 percent for the euro currency.

True. You gotta be prepared for large price swings
 

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Volatility won't matter once FIAT is quoted in terms of BTC (or Satoshis)

I also believe Ethereum continues to be the dark horse here

Everybody talking about BTC performance, but ETH outperformed it last year
 

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Once you replace currency with bit coin, what do you buy bit coin with?
 

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Seems complicated, but I acknowledge my ignorance.
 
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FROM 1973 to present - the World currency Dollar

FROM 202X to XXXX - a blockchain digital currency

Just got to adjust yout thinking about what Money is.. cos the greenbacks in your wallet are NOT money, they are a promisory note backed by nothing
 
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Readily accepted as a medium of exchange with physicsl properties.
 

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That's the way pyramid schemes work.
I'm not following...

Gold was ~ $1200 oz in 2014 and has appreciated to beyond $1800

If the lot was bought with gold, it would've been a similar loss position (although not as extreme and assuming empty land wouldn't have appreciated as much)
 
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Readily accepted as a medium of exchange with physicsl properties.
Yes, for NOW ONLY!

When its devalued a basket of cash will buy you a loaf of bread...



"Bread being sold for a staggering 4.60 million marks" --- The sign in the picture actually says "460 Milliarden", which would be 460 billion marks for one loaf of bread. Boggles the mind.



That's the way pyramid schemes work.
You can argue that it is only becuase everybody wants a coin that the value is increasing. but thats true of stocks. The P/E ratio, the only REAL measure of a stocks value are a multiples that canot be justified. But people still want TSLA! Thats market sentiment. It always drives prices. That opens the door for manipulation as we see with Elons tweets of joke dog coin. But thats a free market.

China doesnt allow short selling, and closes the market when it falls. You want to buy those stocks? some great companies...

The difference with BTC is that it cant be printed by the fed like dollars, devaluing everyones dollars, or controlled like stock markets, its borderless and it is not based upon a company like TESLA or Caterpillar whos fortunes can change. It is a reliable instrument of exchange. Nothing more. Thats what makes it so powerful. The world has been searching for this since the stone age. you just have to adjust your thinking about money slightly
 
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Right. The ones at the top of the pyramid make huge money, while the ones at the bottom end up holding the empty sack, pleading for buyers.
 
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But thats true of any early investment in a winner. Stocks, Commoditites, Daffodills...
 

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Thats just my perception, i didnt think a computer would replace my slide rule either. Perceptions lie somerimes, to the vulnerable.
 

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Re-posting myself from 'another' thread...

The road to socialism via inflation:

• Print money, crash the reserve currency, destroy savers, and force them into inflated assets.

• Asset inflation leads to inequality. Demonize asset holders and tax the nominal gains, thereby confiscating the real value of the assets

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Ironic that the Turnip Triple Trillion deficit economics nut swinger now points out the bloated national debt.

You're still dumb.
 

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Re-posting myself from 'another' thread...

The road to socialism via inflation:

• Print money, crash the reserve currency, destroy savers, and force them into inflated assets.

• Asset inflation leads to inequality. Demonize asset holders and tax the nominal gains, thereby confiscating the real value of the assets

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if bitcoin keeps going it could destabilize the US dollar as well as many others, British Pound, Yen, etc. If governments lose the ability to manipulate interest rates, or as you say, "print their way out" what makes you think that those same governments won't pass legislation to curtail cypto-currency? If it becomes a threat, they'll take it as such. A lot of this growth is dependent on the federal reserve not losing power.
 

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if bitcoin keeps going it could destabilize the US dollar as well as many others, British Pound, Yen, etc. If governments lose the ability to manipulate interest rates, or as you say, "print their way out" what makes you think that those same governments won't pass legislation to curtail cypto-currency? If it becomes a threat, they'll take it as such. A lot of this growth is dependent on the federal reserve not losing power.
It was discussed above

It will be like the recording industry trying to stop music downloads, or the war on drugs...

Futile

At some point a resource rich country, probably in Africa, will tire of their own failed banking system, and go all in on bitcoin. Their populations will revolt against 1000000% inflation, and start transacting in crypto

If you want to buy diamonds from Sierra Leone, or Oil from Nigeria, they will demand bitcoin, forcing our hand

You get my drift here I trust

First stop is replacing gold as a store of value. Bitcoin is digital gold, all the benefits of light speed liquidity sans the analog physical inconveniences of gold

Next stop is replace the world's FIAT
 

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It is possible a middle ground can be reached between FIAT and crypto...

Facebook, which can't be discounted, is trying this with Libra

It all depends how governments enforce the legislation you foreshadow

The recording industry, alarmed by Napster and illegal music downloads, made the grave mistake of going after their customers. You might remember this in the early 2000's

It was iTunes that saved the recording industry by giving consumers a viable alternative to downloads, and a happy medium was achived



If, like the recording industry, governments make the big mistake of attacking their customer base (you and I), they will fail
 
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what makes you think that those same governments won't pass legislation to curtail cypto-currency? If it becomes a threat, they'll take it as such. A lot of this growth is dependent on the federal reserve not losing power.
They will try. China banned it. India Banned it. They they realized they cant.
Remember when the US govt made it illegal to own gold?

People will find a way to buy it, just like drugs, because they understand it is beyond the control of govts.
Look at Venezuela. The "official" exchange rate for dollars is 10x out of whack from the actual market

The cat is out of the bag and running. Musk has just made it legit.

You are not alone in doubting crypto assets, even the creator of dog coin cant get his head around this paradigm shift
Founder of $8.4B Dogecoin sold everything in 2015 for ‘a used Honda Civic’

“People are talking about Dogecoin going to $1 - that would make the ‘market cap’ larger than actual companies that provide services to millions, such as Boeing, Starbucks, American Express, IBM. Does Dogecoin deserve that? That is not something I can comprehend, let alone answer.”

But then I doubt he can comprehend govt printing presses creating TRILLIONS of dollars out of thin air and people using it!
 
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An anonymous Indian official has claimed the country’s parliament will soon introduce a blanket ban on crypto assets, and give hodlers three-to-six months to liquidate.


How long do you think that last if it even becomes law?
 
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Question for the crypto veterans.

What do you think about Ledger Nano X and using Ledger live for trading etc?

I already picked up the Nano x.
 

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Question for the crypto veterans.

What do you think about Ledger Nano X and using Ledger live for trading etc?

I already picked up the Nano x.
I'm not a 'crypto veteran'. Not sure anybody is given it's early days yet...

But I'm sticking with the big boys (BTC and ETH)

That doesn't mean I'm writing off other coins, just stating that I don't want to get distracted
 
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I don't even know what that means.

I mean, I kinda do, but there's a lot of details I don't understand.
 
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