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The more the dems push this idiot, the more i’m convinced that they are using him as a throwaway candidate like the GOP did with Romney.

They’re resigned to the fact that trump is going to win 2020, so why waste and damage a candidate that can be used in 2024?
 
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Does he leave the little girls alone now?
 
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It's not about winning the whole country- it's about whether Biden (or whomever the Dem candidate is) can win back a few swing-states. Biden would have a really good shot at PA (his campaign headquarters are in Philly), as well as MI and WI (all of which elected Dem governors in 2018). Even FL may be up for grabs. If the trade war continues (and it looks like it will), and the Chinese strategically save their strongest counter-measures for closer to the election (they really want to hurt Trump) and the employment and market numbers turn negative, Trump is vulnerable to any Dem candidate currently receiving a decent amount of support in the primary process.

If the election were held today Trump would most likely win- it's not being held today, though- there's a lot of time between now and November 2020. The Dems learned a few things in 2016 that changed their strategy- they're not going to again essentially ignore states that they thought they had in the bag before- they're going to campaign hard in them. All it would take is a couple hundred thousand votes to change the outcome. Dems came out in huge numbers for the 2018 midterms- that's likely indicative of an even bigger turn-out in 2020. The Reps will have to do some work to match them, as- if it's Biden- the Dems will have a WAY more palatable and electable candidate than HRC turned out to be.
 
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If the election were held today Trump would most likely win- it's not being held today, though- there's a lot of time between now and November 2020. The Dems learned a few things in 2016 that changed their strategy- they're not going to again essentially ignore states that they thought they had in the bag before- they're going to campaign hard in them. All it would take is a couple hundred thousand votes to change the outcome. Dems came out in huge numbers for the 2018 midterms- that's likely indicative of an even bigger turn-out in 2020. The Reps will have to do some work to match them, as- if it's Biden- the Dems will have a WAY more palatable and electable candidate than HRC turned out to be.
jesus... not only did you summarily assume Chinas trade position(s) & strategies but you then went on to gloss over the Democratic party... thats a laughing joke of a party to even allow more than 10 candidates in these silly debates about who can promise the most free fucking shit.
Biden is a bigger fucking idiot than Trump but at least Trump has the balls to pick the battles that would benefit this Country. Im going to bet you think China wants to wait out til a "weaker" candidate comes into office (if by some remote chance it happens) as part of their strategy eh? And all the companies currently fleeing China aint likely coming back even IF some nitwit Dem rolls back everything Trump did. Next you'll lecture us how the US is an infant in nation terms... China will wait us out til what next?
China can pull all the manipulative bullshit it fucking wants... the US is by far a better equipped nation in terms of IP...they need us more than we need Made In China on the back of our consumer goods and them stealing or be subsidized by the USPS. China can barely understand flood water management let alone their upcoming water crisis in the next decade.
Also the other thing you dont have... a pulse on the American economy as it is now. Construction is thru the fucking roof with that trend not ending in the next few years. My old company is begging me to work weeknights & ends to catch them up as they signed over $4,000,000 in contracts this year. My highest gross year there, ever, was a lil over $3,500,000. Im going to say that the unemployment rate is below rock bottom and the academia will have to figure out a new way to guesstimate these indicators.

I got $100 that says Trump gets a 2nd term...to the LAB common fund.
 
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jesus... not only did you summarily assume Chinas trade position(s) & strategies but you then went on to gloss over the Democratic party... thats a laughing joke of a party to even allow more than 10 candidates in these silly debates about who can promise the most free fucking shit.
Biden is a bigger fucking idiot than Trump but at least Trump has the balls to pick the battles that would benefit this Country. Im going to bet you think China wants to wait out til a "weaker" candidate comes into office (if by some remote chance it happens) as part of their strategy eh? And all the companies currently fleeing China aint likely coming back even IF some nitwit Dem rolls back everything Trump did. Next you'll lecture us how the US is an infant in nation terms... China will wait us out til what next?
China can pull all the manipulative bullshit it fucking wants... the US is by far a better equipped nation in terms of IP...they need us more than we need Made In China on the back of our consumer goods and them stealing or be subsidized by the USPS. China can barely understand flood water management let alone their upcoming water crisis in the next decade.
Also the other thing you dont have... a pulse on the American economy as it is now. Construction is thru the fucking roof with that trend not ending in the next few years. My old company is begging me to work weeknights & ends to catch them up as they signed over $4,000,000 in contracts this year. My highest gross year there, ever, was a lil over $3,500,000. Im going to say that the unemployment rate is below rock bottom and the academia will have to figure out a new way to guesstimate these indicators.

I got $100 that says Trump gets a 2nd term...to the LAB common fund.
Are you drunk?
 
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jesus... not only did you summarily assume Chinas trade position(s) & strategies but you then went on to gloss over the Democratic party... thats a laughing joke of a party to even allow more than 10 candidates in these silly debates about who can promise the most free fucking shit.
Biden is a bigger fucking idiot than Trump but at least Trump has the balls to pick the battles that would benefit this Country. Im going to bet you think China wants to wait out til a "weaker" candidate comes into office (if by some remote chance it happens) as part of their strategy eh? And all the companies currently fleeing China aint likely coming back even IF some nitwit Dem rolls back everything Trump did. Next you'll lecture us how the US is an infant in nation terms... China will wait us out til what next?
China can pull all the manipulative bullshit it fucking wants... the US is by far a better equipped nation in terms of IP...they need us more than we need Made In China on the back of our consumer goods and them stealing or be subsidized by the USPS. China can barely understand flood water management let alone their upcoming water crisis in the next decade.
Also the other thing you dont have... a pulse on the American economy as it is now. Construction is thru the fucking roof with that trend not ending in the next few years. My old company is begging me to work weeknights & ends to catch them up as they signed over $4,000,000 in contracts this year. My highest gross year there, ever, was a lil over $3,500,000. Im going to say that the unemployment rate is below rock bottom and the academia will have to figure out a new way to guesstimate these indicators.

I got $100 that says Trump gets a 2nd term...to the LAB common fund.
I'm not betting against Trump- what I laid out are some of the reasons why a Dem might win in 2020- I didn't 'lecture' you or anyone else about anything. Then you went off one one of your typical disjointed rants (or should I call it a 'lecture') that lead me to believe you're one of those people that micro-dose (maybe not so 'micro') LSD on a daily basis..:roll:

Tell me why a Dem candidate doesn't have a chance to win PA, MI, and/or WI, where Trump's popularity has faded and when all three went blue in 2018- you can't, because it's a definite possibility, especially when you look at Trump's margin-of-victory in those states in 2016- if everything else stays the same, if Biden (or whomever is the Dem) takes them, he wins. China is obviously waiting out the election- do you think their retaliatory measures can't negatively affect the US economy? Yeah, OK.:lol:
 
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Tell me why a Dem candidate doesn't have a chance to win PA, MI, and/or WI, where Trump's popularity has faded and when all three went blue in 2018- you can't, because it's a definite possibility, especially when you look at Trump's margin-of-victory in those states in 2016- if everything else stays the same, if Biden (or whomever is the Dem) takes them, he wins. China is obviously waiting out the election- do you think their retaliatory measures can't negatively affect the US economy? Yeah, OK.:lol:
yeah ok... suddenly youre the LAB expert on the electoral college...lol.
Just from a physical endurance standpoint of campaigning... Biden would lose. Who do you see as being Biden's um... Robin?? Would folks be lining up to see him or would it be a mantinee crowd? Gonna guess the latter.
The Dems have nobody credible. They should just ditch Biden & the rest of the crackpots and work on someone like Mark Cuban or tone down or centralize Lee and his socialist promises. Then Id be chewing my fingernails watching the campaign kick off!!
 
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Yeah, just like you're the labs expert on China...:roll:

Seeing basic reality hardly counts as being an 'expert'. Do you really have to be an 'expert' to look at the numbers and see how a Dem could get to 270 electoral votes, and speculate that states that went from red for Trump in 2016 to blue for governorships in 2018 might remain blue in 2020 when the margin of victory was so small in 2016? Right...:lol: To say it's not reasonably possible based on current numbers would amount to sticking your head in the sand. I'm not saying it will definitely happen, but, once Obama really gets out there on the campaign trail (which I'd bet he will, and he's more popular now than ever) to support Biden in a much stronger way than he supported Hillary (assuming Biden wins the nomination), Joe will have a shot.

You're 'guessing' what might happen- so am I, and I'm basing it on the current information- as I already said, if the election were held today I'm sure Trump would win- I also see possibilities/scenarios in the future that could cause a Dem to win. Somehow that got up your ass- too bad.:fu:
 
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still a tossup, tons of folks voted for hillary because "woman" and trump still won in a landslide.

I dont realistically see any of the existing ladyfolk on the dem ticket getting the nod, but who knows.
 
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I definitely see a woman on the bottom half of the ticket if Biden wins the nomination- he'll likely pick whichever woman had the most support, and I think any of them would jump at the chance (Biden is so old they could slide into the POTUS position if he manages to win and then croaks)- that will probably be Warren, but it could also be Harris or one of the others- it's too early to call it. It would be the smart move for him.
 
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304/227 seemed pretty one sided to me =)

I think warren or harris would be just as big a disaster as biden...I just dont see any moderate female dems throwing votes that way just because they got the VP nod.
 
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Whatever else happens, if Biden gets the nomination, it will be fun watching the two old coots go after each other on the debate stage.
 
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With today's polarized political environment it will be a close race like last time. Most urban areas will vote dem, regardless of the "it's the economy , stupid". Biden keeps fucking up, I think he's gonna get worse as time goes on. He got physical with a young lady at the Iowa State fair...

I cant see any moderate voter going Dem in the swing states now, after the radicalization of the party after the 2018 midterms.
 
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The fact is Trump won a decisive electoral victory- while its true he won it with a very slim percentage of votes, the bottom line is he still won- his team was only looking for a path to victory- in the end, the 'W' is all that counts.

As far as Biden potentially attracting voters goes, I think he doesn't really need anyone to change the way they voted in 2016 from R to D- what he needs is to motivate enough Dems who didn't turn out in 2016 because they didn't like HRC to come out and vote for him, and for a few of the hardcore Rep 'Never-Trumpers' to actually vote for him rather than just sitting out (and, as he's a fairly politically-moderate old white man, they may pull the lever for him).

Trump won Michigan by 0.23% of the vote, PA by 0.72%, and Wisconsin by 0.77%, by a combined total of ~200,000 in all three states. There don't seem to be any states that are expected to go from blue to red in 2020, so Trump needs to hold on to most of the states he won in 2016- he can lose two of the three and still take it, but not all three, and, if Florida flips (and it's possible, though less likely than MI, PA, or WI), the Dems need only one other state to turn blue.

I'd rather be in Trump's current position, but I also wouldn't count out the Dem candidate.
 
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Trump will get a second term, pretty much guaranteed.

Though if the over-use of ‘socialism’ as an attempted insult results in voters becoming desensitized (like they became with ‘liberal’), the margin may be closer.

He’ll still win though.
 
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That's what you said about the Reps keeping the House in 2018.:razz:

If the economy remains strong in 2020 I'd agree with you- if it takes a downturn (and there are indicators that say it possibly could), it will be a race.
 
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Hey Schiavo, I like you..........you can borrow my goat! I don't even care if you're drunk or tripping!
 
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That's what you said about the Reps keeping the House in 2018.:razz:

If the economy remains strong in 2020 I'd agree with you- if it takes a downturn (and there are indicators that say it possibly could), it will be a race.
Yep , I was wrong there, but can you see the dems beating trump with their current lineup?
 
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The fucking Democrat party is in shambles since the 2018 midterms. The radicals (Squad) will ensure a Trump victory.
 
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Unless trumpy signs an assault weapons ban into law, he's toast next year.
 
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You already voted with your feet. Actually your ass, seeing you just sit there and let it happen.
 
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You already voted with your feet. Actually your ass, seeing you just sit there and let it happen.
Now you live in a liberal haven with the people who want every thing for free "peace, drugs and love baby"! Real world does not believe that. Just stick with your buddy Pokeyhauntis or Crazy Bernie who thinks Venezuela is a perfect model lol!!
 
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Yep , I was wrong there, but can you see the dems beating trump with their current lineup?
I already said what I think- if Biden gets the nomination and he holds the states that went blue for HRC, he has a really good shot at winning PA (which is 20 of the 39 electoral votes he needs to win the presidency)- MI and WI may also be up for grabs, though he'd nned to take both if no other states flip. I'm not saying it's a lock or even likely, but it's a scenario well within the bounds of possibility. The state of the economy leading up to the election will have a huge effect- if it remains strong, Trump will absolutely win- if it turns downward (as some key indicators say it could) it's a different story.
 
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The primaries are always a shitshow and show a disjointed party as candidates try to jockey into positions that not particularly concrete. Once a candidate is selected, the party will start to coalesce around the candidate as the positions are solidified and the real campaigning begins. That's when things will get serious.

Ultimately, I agree with GB - if the economy is running strong next year, not even the Pope would win against Trump. If it's shaky, it's anyones race.
 
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I already said what I think- if Biden gets the nomination and he holds the states that went blue for HRC, he has a really good shot at winning PA (which is 20 of the 39 electoral votes he needs to win)- MI and WI may also be up for grabs, though he'd nned to take both if no other states flip. I'm not saying it's a lock or even likely, but it's a scenario well within the bounds of possibility. The state of the economy leading up to the election will have a huge effect- if it remains strong, Trump will absolutely win- if it turns downward (as many indicators say it could) it's a different story.
The primaries are always a shitshow and show a disjointed party as candidates try to jockey into positions that not particularly concrete. Once a candidate is selected, the party will start to coalesce around the candidate as the positions are solidified and the real campaigning begins. That's when things will get serious.

Ultimately, I agree with GB - if the economy is running strong next year, not even the Pope would win against Trump. If it's shaky, it's anyones race.
Well as much as I hate to say it and believe me I do-----the economy is slowing and that is not going to help Trump... Oh he will have plenty of people to blame but bottom line that is really going to hurt him. This gun thing MEH no big deal but if the economy falls he is done I am afraid because everyone knows he will become unwound and it will not be pretty. .
 
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the best part is, republicans don't have to spend a dime yet. it's all trump.

democrats are busy donating to what, 20 different people?
 
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Biden claims he was VP during Parkland shooting.....he has lost it
 
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