150 HP liquid cooled four valve per cyl. Harley DOHC engine with two spark plugs per cyl.

[Master-Cylinder]

How many current Harley "Technicians" are gonna lose their minds working on these modern engines.

Inside Harley-Davidson's New DOHC Revolution Max 1250 V-Twin - Roadracing World Magazine | Motorcycle Riding, Racing & Tech News

Take a look inside the new DOHC Revolution Max 1250 V-Twin engine that powers Harley-Davidson's new Pan America 1250 models.

www.roadracingworld.com

 

[Qwik]

I’m curious what the Pan America weighs. My 950 (right at 100hp) weighs 510lbs with a splash of fuel.

 

[pimpslayer]

I’m curious what the Pan America weighs. My 950 (right at 100hp) weighs 510lbs with a splash of fuel.

Claimed 534 wet. 560 for the Special. 26lbs more just from the suspension?

The Special’s front and rear Showa semi-active suspension offers 7.5 inches of travel. Semi-active defines suspension damping that is continuously ECU-adjusted according to how the bike is being used, via seven monitored variables. The hardware is Showa (for example, the electric rear preload adjuster), but the control software was written by H-D.

 

[Cisco San Jose]

About time Harley did something correctly, wonder if they copied the

this is the motorcycle that my 2020 Benelli TNT 135 will have the engine transplant from, I will go from 135cc to 450cc and with the right sprocket and rear tire our calulation is 120 mph top speed, cruz all day at 70-80-90 mph with out engine even overheating. Using a 2021 CSC CX4 adventure engine.

 

[Qwik]

I doubt they copied anything from CSC (Chinese Scooter Company)

 

[Master-Cylinder]

Interesting, "The drive-side camshaft bearing journal is part of the drive sprocket, a design that makes it possible to remove the camshaft for service or a future performance upgrade without disassembling the camshaft drive". I know exactly what it should look like.
It also has VVT.
Maybe the engine will be a Polaris Killer in dirt track racing.

 

[braindead_organdonor]

You won't have to work on them, at least around here. Unless the engine turns out to be a turd.

 

[r1racer]

what happened???? thought all you guys said ICE development was dead?

 

[VFR Rider]

The engine design is impressive coming from HD. Real world performance and reliability are obviously yet to be proven. Time will tell.

 

[chuck356]

This should be interesting. Let's see if Harley will stay with the design, work out the bugs, and build something people will buy. Or sell it for 4 years, then pull the plug like the V-roid.

 

[BarryW]

I'm sure they outsourced the design in large part, probably to the Austrian consultants AVL as they've done in the past. Hopefully they'll stay on top of the required manufacturing QC, but time will tell if it's durable & reliable or if they made it "too light" anywhere. I've got to admit that I'm intrigued. I've heard a base model will be around $17,000 USD which is definitely competitive, but they're up against some firmly entrenched competition in this space, so they better have their shit together if they want to sell any to those folks who don't show up to the dealership already wearing a H-D vest.

 

[Qwik]

Thing is most of the competition is making more power than that

 

[Pat830]

Put some faux fins and chrome on that engine and install it in a street glide and they might have something.

 

[pimpslayer]

Thing is most of the competition is making more power than that

It makes way more power than the Yammie ST12 or the BMW GS12xx, but less than the Ducati or KTM....so it's priced competitively.

If they aren't lying about the power or the weight, they may have something ....
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[jhinderliter]

Interested

 

[jhinderliter]

2021 Pan America 1250 | Harley-Davidson USA

The Pan America™ 1250 motorcycle is a two-wheel multi-tool built to endure, designed to explore, and engineered for adventure.

www.harley-davidson.com

17 grand ... I’m going to have to ride one

 

[pimpslayer]

2021 Pan America 1250 | Harley-Davidson USA

The Pan America™ 1250 motorcycle is a two-wheel multi-tool built to endure, designed to explore, and engineered for adventure.

www.harley-davidson.com

17 grand ... I’m going to have to ride one

I'm intrigued....from the 4 valve head with VVT and hydraulic lifters (sic), to the dry sumped 60 degree crank with offset crank throws so it thinks it's a 90 degree v-twin and a slipper clutch. And a washable, reusable air filter.

And with the active suspension on the Special, it reads like a winner.
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[jhinderliter]

A lot of potential...

huge market potential for the MoCo as well , the retail end is already in place ...

I think the gen X and younger that are over the whole leather vest chain drive wallet thing are gonna eat this up

 

[jhinderliter]

Trying to figure out if it’s gonna come with bags

 

[NORTY]

500lbs and 150hp is very "un-Harley like."

Should start seeing them in May, according to the MOCO.

 

[pimpslayer]

Something mentioned in this video is the "optional adaptive ride height system", which drops the bike an inch or two when coming to a stop. That's a big deal to inseam challenged dudes who want an ADV bike. He mentions it right at 1:00...

 

[Ninjaman12R]

I think it's ugly AF like all adventure bikes, but I'm intrigued by it, and will ride one.

 

[Ninjaman12R]

Trying to figure out if it’s gonna come with bags

I'm sure they'll offer it with them at some point, but in that video I posted they showed 3 different types of bags (I think) for it. They showed a few accessories actually. There are a couple of color combinations that make it less ugly to me. It's got huge potential as you said, and look i forward to riding one.

 

[Ninjaman12R]

 

[Ninjaman12R]

 

[Ninjaman12R]

 

[Qwik]

Makes my KTM look pretty in comparison

 

[Wretch]

It's grown on me since they first showed it.

The engine sounds like it could be a winner but, lets look again after about a year of use.

 

[Ninjaman12R]

It's grown on me since they first showed it.

The engine sounds like it could be a winner but, lets look again after about a year of abuse.

FIFY....

 

[MNtony]

They don't look as bad in person as they do in pictures.

 

[Wretch]

FIFY....

Use/Abuse Tomatoe/Toematoe

 

[Ninjaman12R]

Use/Abuse Tomatoe/Toematoe

'Zactly....

 

[Ninjaman12R]

They don't look as bad in person as they do in pictures.

When I first saw it I said damn, looks like they carved that bitch out of a block of government cheese..., now I just say....Damn....

 

[BIggerDanno]

I'd like to see their adaptive headlight system on all bikes.

 

[Hugh G. Rection]

They don't look as bad in person as they do in pictures.

She's got a nice personality as we used to say.

 

[Stetson]

I like it.

 

[Master-Cylinder]

They need to build a "Scrambler" version with out the butt ugly faring thing on it.

 

[BarryW]

Very interested in how top heavy she feels. It's what I hate most about these long legged bitches, and how the GS boxer design covers its tracks so well being the pig that it is.

 

[pimpslayer]

They need to build a "Scrambler" version with out the butt ugly faring thing on it.

I'm just waiting for The Motor Company to reannounce/reintroduce the streetfighter they showed a year ago, called The Bronx. It really just looked like a nicely proportioned street bike, rather than a chopped up, ugly street fighter. it was a 975cc version of the Power Max engine...err, or motor.
.

 

[pimpslayer]

 

[Pat830]

Good looking bike!

 

[Ninjaman12R]

I'm just waiting for The Motor Company to reannounce/reintroduce the streetfighter they showed a year ago, called The Bronx. It really just looked like a nicely proportioned street bike, rather than a chopped up, ugly street fighter. it was a 975cc version of the Power Max engine...err, or motor.
.

I was anticipating the release of that bike just to see if it was a success or not, then they scrubbed it. But since they've already got another bike built around this engine (the 1250) besides the Pan America, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Bronx resurface in the future. Who knows?

 

[pimpslayer]

The Motor Company needs to do something quick to replace the Sportster. They can't bring it into Euro 5 compliance as it is...The Bronx would be a good start.

They could do a cruiser version of it later.
,

 

[Master-Cylinder]

Pretty decent. Modern looking.

 

[tinhead]

I was looking hard at the Bronx concept.
Then it got axed.
The local Harley dealer doesn't email me any more.

Haven't gone and bought an FTR or an SRX, we'll see what happens.
Indian and Yamaha still email me regularly.

 

[BIggerDanno]

Pretty decent. Modern looking.

Looks heavy to me.

 

[pimpslayer]

Looks heavy to me.

Looks are deceiving...

Claimed 534 wet. 560 for the Special. 26lbs more just from the suspension?

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[jhinderliter]

2021 Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 First Look

Cycle World’s technical editor, Kevin Cameron, gets the details of Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 in an exclusive interview with the new model’s engineers.

www.cycleworld.com

 

[NORTY]

With "EURO 5" emissions in our future, this engine may find it's way in the other HD models. Sooner, rather than later.

We'll see how the "beta testers" get along with the bikes....

 

[Master-Cylinder]

2021 Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 First Look

Cycle World’s technical editor, Kevin Cameron, gets the details of Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 in an exclusive interview with the new model’s engineers.

www.cycleworld.com

Cameron is still kicking? Loved BS's with the guy back in the day aboot engines and stuff.